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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Absolutely, you should be required to prove you're a legal U.S. citizen in order to vote.
    That would require an ID would it not?

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    This "study" of what? Speculation? Guesses? Because that is all it is.
    What are you talking about? It's a study, not speculation. Those are opposites.

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    The point is...to stop those almost non-existent cases of voter fraud...you'd make it so that millions of Americans will have problems voting. This is why those laws are being passed...

    Citizens with comparatively low incomes are less likely to possess documentation proving their citizenship. Citizens earning less than $25,000 per year are more than twice as likely to lack ready documentation of their citizenship as those earning more than $25,000.4 Indeed, the survey indicates that at least 12 percent of voting-age American citizens earning less than $25,000 per year do not have a readily available U.S. passport, naturalization document, or birth certificate

    Elderly citizens are less likely to possess government-issued photo identification. Survey results indicate that seniors disproportionately lack photo identification. Eighteen percent of American citizens age 65 and above do not have current government-issued photo ID.9 Using 2005 census estimates, this amounts to more than 6 million senior citizens.

    Minority citizens are less likely to possess government-issued photo identification. According to the survey, African-American citizens also disproportionately lack photo identification. Twenty-five percent of African-American voting-age citizens have no current government-issued photo ID, compared to eight percent of white voting-age citizens.10 Using 2000 census figures, this amounts to more than 5.5 million adult African-American citizens without photo identification. Our survey also indicated that sixteen percent of Hispanic voting-age citizens have no current government-issued photo ID, but due to a low sample size, the results did not achieve statistical significance

    http://www.brennancenter.org/page/-/...file_39242.pdf
    The question is why do so many people not have a valid ID. There is no discrimination preventing these groups of people from obtaining the ID so hwat personal choices have these people made to not have ID.

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    But how do they benefit from fraud of only (less than) 86 people in 5 years commit it? LOL.
    That were convicted. Many more were caught and not prosecuted and many more not caught.

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I see the article that is completely speculation? I can make an educated guess as well, and based on my own statistics it will not happen. Just as good as that whole article based on guesses.

    From your article...

    These new laws could make it significantly harder for more than five million eligible voters to cast ballots in 2012.
    The states that have already cut back on voting rights will provide 171 electoral votes in 2012 63 percent of the 270 needed to win the presidency.
    Of the 12 likely battleground states, as assessed by an August Los Angeles Times analysis of Gallup polling, five have already cut back on voting rights (and may pass additional restrictive legislation), and two more are currently considering new restrictions.
    - As Many As 5 Million Voters Disenfranchised By Voter ID Laws | Crooks and Liars

    Starts of with "could" with no real evidence of anything. Then move on to the mystery states that have somehow bypassed the Constitution and restricted voting rights.

    It is laughable at best.

    So you could find nothing to refute the study. Just as I suspected.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    So you could find nothing to refute the study. Just as I suspected.
    Do I really have to? Their own words are better than anything anyone else could say.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    What are you talking about? It's a study, not speculation. Those are opposites.
    You can study and then speculate on what you find. The problem is their is nothing to study here. The few states that so far have photo id laws have no problems with people voting, none. This is backed up by the Federal courts, only in one state was it so restrictive to voting that is was overturned.

    SO I know what I am talking about, do you?
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    You can study and then speculate on what you find. The problem is their is nothing to study here. The few states that so far have photo id laws have no problems with people voting, none. This is backed up by the Federal courts, only in one state was it so restrictive to voting that is was overturned.

    SO I know what I am talking about, do you?
    You should just read the study instead of just making things up.

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    You should just read the study instead of just making things up.
    I did read it! It is just "guesses" about what "mite" happen and they immediately jump to "worse case scenario." Sorry, no moderate view, nothing reasonable about it. It is a left wing hack job at best.

    Here from the link...

    States have changed their laws so rapidly that no single analysis has assessed the overall impact of such moves. Although it is too early to quantify how the changes will impact voter turnout, they will be a hindrance to many voters at a time when the United States continues to turn out less than two thirds of its eligible citizens in presidential elections and less than half in midterm elections.

    Now they start of with "Although it is too early to quantify how the changes will impact voter turnout" OK I agree. Then they move on to " they will be a hindrance to many voters at a time when the United States continues to turn out less than two thirds of its eligible citizens in presidential elections and less than half in midterm elections." WTF?

    First they say how it will affect voter turn out is unknown and they follow up by saying as a fact no less "They will be a hindrance to many voters." Based on what????????

    This is a partisan hack job.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Do I really have to? Their own words are better than anything anyone else could say.
    Do whatever you want. So far we have a study by experts who say 5 million voters could be disenfranchised vs. nothing from you to refute it.
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