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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    As has been documented, it is for 5 million voters.
    According to whom? The Demoractic party, lol.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Which is of course the motive for the push by Republicans for the extra voter requirements, to limit votes by the poor, seniors, minorities, and students.

    At least you were honest enough to admit it.
    I will take that as you have no argument? OK thanks for playing.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Actually the story says there is no real evidence of any significant voter fraud.
    I did not nor did I ever say it was significant, but it can be. Nothing about photo id's are unconstitutional as has been shown. Significant or not makes no difference, a law is being broken and photo id's will help it happen even less.

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    But you know that well because you have not been able to present any here as well.
    I have presented it, you just think because it is not happening by the thousands we should ignore it. I can think of a few crimes in the same boat, but we still make laws and enforce them.

    You lose.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    According to whom? The Demoractic party, lol.
    Nope, "According to a study done by the Brennan Center For Justice, as many as 5 million voters will be disenfranchised by Voter ID laws passed in Republican states."



    I will take that as you have no argument? OK thanks for playing.
    What's to argue, you have already admitted the motive.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    I see the article that is completely speculation? I can make an educated guess as well, and based on my own statistics it will not happen. Just as good as that whole article based on guesses.

    From your article...

    These new laws could make it significantly harder for more than five million eligible voters to cast ballots in 2012.
    The states that have already cut back on voting rights will provide 171 electoral votes in 2012 – 63 percent of the 270 needed to win the presidency.
    Of the 12 likely battleground states, as assessed by an August Los Angeles Times analysis of Gallup polling, five have already cut back on voting rights (and may pass additional restrictive legislation), and two more are currently considering new restrictions.
    - http://crooksandliars.com/karoli/man...anchised-voter

    Starts of with "could" with no real evidence of anything. Then move on to the mystery states that have somehow bypassed the Constitution and restricted voting rights.

    It is laughable at best.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    What's to argue, you have already admitted the motive.
    Again no argument?
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    The voter fraud problem in the US is greatly exaggerated and it will just end up being transferred to fake IDs under these conditions. Yeah, baseless or specious, more precisely.
    So the answer is "they are going to do it anyway so let's make it as easy as possible for them?"

    Does that make any sense to you?

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    One of my RL friends did not have a license. He was eligible to vote legally, but he was in a weird scenario where he couldn't get an ID or a license.
    I'm coming to see that no matter what law we regulate, be it the stand your ground act, there is never an objective morally right answer to any morale question; in fact, since there are multiple objectively right answers to every moral question that leaves us with a lot of grey area and a lot of black area (not in the racial since).
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    I'd say the Photo ID would be an attempt to create a new version of "de jure segregation laws".
    Who would be segregated?

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I see the article that is completely speculation? I can make an educated guess as well, and based on my own statistics it will not happen. Just as good as that whole article based on guesses.
    What are you talking about? The Brennan Center is hands down the most respected experts on the political process. That isn't speculation, they did a massive study on it...

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    'Maybe not for you, however for many people it who are old and infirm it's not quite that easy. Many photo-ids require a birth certificate which might have been lost and it's costly to replace them.
    Why would those pwoplw not have had an ID from before they were sick? Most people don't go through life on the fringe.

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    What are you talking about? The Brennan Center is hands down the most respected experts on the political process. That isn't speculation, they did a massive study on it...
    This "study" of what? Speculation? Guesses? Because that is all it is.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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