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    Quote Originally Posted by Krhazy View Post
    There is no evidence that voter fraud of this kind (showing up claiming to be someone you are not) is becoming even a minuscule threat to our voting system. Conservatives and Libertarians should agree that there should be no restrictions on people's fundamental rights (and which right is more fundamental than voting) unless there is some very good reason for it. Until it becomes apparent that voter fraud, and not political corruption, is the objective behind these laws, I wholly oppose them.
    The obama administration also claims the US/Mexican border is secure.

    The estimated 12 to 20 million illegal aliens who support pro-amnesty politicians have a very good reason to subvert a US election with very little danger of jail time if caught.

    Does anybody seriously believe that an Obama/Eric Holder Department of Justice would actually prosecute these people?

    Does anybody seriously believe the democrat party is actually concerned that a few voters without picture IDs will be denied ballot access?

    Their only concern is that potential illegal aliens will be denied the opportunity to cast a ballot for their far-left progressive agenda.

    Be assured, there's no level too low that the democrat party will not stoop to win the 2012 elections__They can smell the blood in the water.

    They are way too close to the marxist utopia of their dreams to allow it to slip away because of a little thing like the rule of law.

    It's come down to all or nothing__If they don't do it now it may be decades before they get this close again.
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    Empiraca,

    please read this and learn so that you can avoid these sort of mistakes again.

    False equivalence - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Voter fraud is one thing. Border problems are a different thing. Like Robert DeNiro said in THE DEERHUNTER

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    Does anybody seriously believe the democrat party is actually concerned that a few voters without picture IDs will be denied ballot access?
    You mean millions. Studies have shown that millions of Americans...genearlly the low income and elderly do not have the ID's that states are passing that are required to vote.

    Those that want to change the law have the burden to prove some wide spread systematic voter fraud that could possibley disenfranchise millions of individuals.

    As of now...that proof is in the double digits spanning years.
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    More importantly, how would requiring ID have prevented any of these problems? I am looking at my driver's license right now, and I can't find anywhere where it gives my immigration status or criminal history :p This simple fact should be obvious, but I guess it needs to be repeated: YOU DON'T NEED TO BE A CITIZEN TO GET A DRIVER'S LICENSE!!!!! The indisputable fact is that voter ID laws stop many more people from voting legally than illegally. I live in Minnesota, and we know a thing or two about close elections. The Republicans in the legislature here are trying to pass a constitutional amendment requiring photo ID (amongst other requirements) to vote. This would stop most students from voting on campus (unless they live in the dorms and the school elects to pre-register them), as student IDs would not be considered acceptable, and virtually all students do not have their school address on their driver's license. If you live somewhere 9 months out of the year, you should be able to vote there. Furthermore, it would ban anyone with physical disabilities from receiving assistance in filling out a ballot, unless they are accompanied by 2 people, 1 from each party. Speaking of which, it would establish party registration, which we don't currently have in MN. It would also get rid of same day registration, so if there is anything wrong with your registration, you're SOL, even if you are an eligible voter. This (and all other voter ID laws and proposals) has nothing to do with preventing fraud, but rather is a means of banning those who are less likely to vote GOP from voting.


    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Those stories do not cite a single conviction for even one lone individual for voter fraud. Not a single one.

    The material you cited is based on speculation, conjecture and wishful thinking by losers of elections looking for a scapegoat for their defeats as in the Sanchez case.

    Are there people who vote who should not be legally able to vote? I would suspect there are a very small number.
    Are there people who commit voter fraud but get away with it? I would also suspect there are a very small number.
    However, I can prove neither.

    Before we go imposing burdens on a right which is mentioned in the US Constitution in no less than five different places, we better be darn sure there is a real and significant problem that does exist. And when we talk about the voting rights of well over 100 million people, an isolated case here or there does not achieve that level of significance requiring action which could cost honest voters their rights.

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    As far as the cost, even if a state makes IDs free, the documents required to get that ID (birth certificate, etc) are still not free. Unless these laws include a provision to make the supporting documents free, it creates an unreasonable burden.

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    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Those stories do not cite a single conviction for even one lone individual for voter fraud. Not a single one.
    Convictions are evidence someone got caught, you asked for "where is the mountain of evidence proving voter fraud is a problem?" which I supplied. If you would have been honest, Theplaydrive has posted that the 2 elections in 2002 and 2004 resulted in 70 convictions for fraud.

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The material you cited is based on speculation, conjecture and wishful thinking by losers of elections looking for a scapegoat for their defeats as in the Sanchez case.
    Your statement is opinion, theirs is fact. 3% of 30,000 in 1 US court district is a fact.

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Are there people who vote who should not be legally able to vote? I would suspect there are a very small number.
    Are there people who commit voter fraud but get away with it? I would also suspect there are a very small number.
    However, I can prove neither.
    If you look at crime statistics the number of people charged vs convictions are very different. Just because someone did not get caught or convicted, does not erase a crime.

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Before we go imposing burdens on a right which is mentioned in the US Constitution in no less than five different places, we better be darn sure there is a real and significant problem that does exist. And when we talk about the voting rights of well over 100 million people, an isolated case here or there does not achieve that level of significance requiring action which could cost honest voters their rights.
    #1 Voting is not an enumerated right in the Constitution.

    The Constitution contains many phrases, clauses, and amendments detailing ways people cannot be denied the right to vote. You cannot deny the right to vote because of race or gender. Citizens of Washington DC can vote for President; 18-year-olds can vote; you can vote even if you fail to pay a poll tax. The Constitution also requires that anyone who can vote for the "most numerous branch" of their state legislature can vote for House members and Senate members.

    Note that in all of this, though, the Constitution never explicitly ensures the right to vote, as it does the right to speech, for example. It does require that Representatives be chosen and Senators be elected by "the People," and who comprises "the People" has been expanded by the aforementioned amendments several times. Aside from these requirements, though, the qualifications for voters are left to the states. And as long as the qualifications do not conflict with anything in the Constitution, that right can be withheld. For example, in Texas, persons declared mentally incompetent and felons currently in prison or on probation are denied the right to vote. It is interesting to note that though the 26th Amendment requires that 18-year-olds must be able to vote, states can allow persons younger than 18 to vote, if they chose to.


    #2 Federal courts have already upheld photo id's as constitutional. It is not considered a restriction to voting.

    #3 If the "disfranchised" cannot get id's to vote why can they get them for food stamps, welfare, Medicare ect? Amazing how that works.
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    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Empiraca,

    please read this and learn so that you can avoid these sort of mistakes again.

    False equivalence - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Voter fraud is one thing. Border problems are a different thing. Like Robert DeNiro said in THE DEERHUNTER
    No, they are not "a different thing".

    The fact that voter fraud will be most prevalent among the illegal aliens who crossed the border and the fact that the current administration downplayed both with their rediculous claims, directly links them.
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    Convictions are evidence someone got caught, you asked for "where is the mountain of evidence proving voter fraud is a problem?" which I supplied. If you would have been honest, Theplaydrive has posted that the 2 elections in 2002 and 2004 resulted in 70 convictions for fraud.
    Suspicion of a crime does not equal a crime.
    Accusation of a crime does not equal a crime.
    Allegations of a crime does not equal a crime.

    Playdrive shows 70 convictions (and where is that data please?) out of what - 200 million votes? In your mind, that constitutes a problem that warrants this type of solution? That is absurd in the extreme.


    If you look at crime statistics the number of people charged vs convictions are very different. Just because someone did not get caught or convicted, does not erase a crime.
    Sp present us with number of people charged with the crime of voter fraud then if you feel that is the benchmark.


    #1 Voting is not an enumerated right in the Constitution.

    The Constitution contains many phrases, clauses, and amendments detailing ways people cannot be denied the right to vote. You cannot deny the right to vote because of race or gender. Citizens of Washington DC can vote for President; 18-year-olds can vote; you can vote even if you fail to pay a poll tax. The Constitution also requires that anyone who can vote for the "most numerous branch" of their state legislature can vote for House members and Senate members.
    You are engaging in semantics, smoke and mirrors and a version of intellectual three card Montie that is over the line of absurdity. If the Constitution does indeed discuss the right to vote five times, how can there be no "right to vote" when it clearly is mentioned and discussed with the exact phrase "RIGHT TO VOTE"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Empirica View Post
    No, they are not "a different thing".

    The fact that voter fraud will be most prevalent among the illegal aliens who crossed the border and the fact that the current administration downplayed both with their rediculous claims, directly links them.
    If you maintain it is the same, then do please present your data connecting the two. I would love to examine it.
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