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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Bolded is exactly the point. The only people who may not have any form of photo ID are those "living off the grid" paying cash for all transactions, using little in the way of utilities, subsistence hunting/farming, even then if they use a bank or any other form of financial service they still would have to maintain some form of identification. I don't see how anyone could survive as an adult without at least a basic photo ID, so asking them to show it to vote is not really any big deal.
    I'd be willing to bet that very few such people actually exist, and fewer still vote. The cost to the state/federal government to provide IDs would be miniscule. If it cost a million bucks, that's 33 cents per person. I think we can afford that.

    What can I buy for 33 cents nowadays?
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    I'd be willing to bet that very few such people actually exist, and fewer still vote. The cost to the state/federal government to provide IDs would be miniscule. If it cost a million bucks, that's 33 cents per person. I think we can afford that.

    What can I buy for 33 cents nowadays?
    I don't know what the stats are on non-ID carrying citizens but would bet it would cost more than a million U.S.D. this is the federal government we are talking about. Still, if a person wants to do a basic transaction it often requires some form of photo ID so it's just not likely that most adults don't have them already. I am positive that the issue is raised to protect "ghost voting", that's the best way I can describe someone not having the actual right to the vote casting it. I'm still on board with adopting the ink finger in use in the ME, it seems to be pretty effective.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Again, warriors of the right who advocate for these so called 'reforms' ...where is the mountain of evidence proving voter fraud is a problem?

    This is a phony soluton in search of a problem.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Again, warriors of the right who advocate for these so called 'reforms' ...where is the mountain of evidence proving voter fraud is a problem?...
    there is none.

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Again, warriors of the right who advocate for these so called 'reforms' ...where is the mountain of evidence proving voter fraud is a problem?

    This is a phony soluton in search of a problem.
    In 2005, the U.S. Government Accountability Office found that up to 3 percent of the 30,000 individuals called for jury duty from voter registration rolls over a two-year period in just one U.S. district court were not U.S. citizens. While that may not seem like many, just 3 percent of registered voters would have been more than enough to provide the winning presiden*tial vote margin in Florida in 2000. - The Cutting Edge News

    Charges were made in at least three federal elections in California 3 4 and twice in Florida5 that voting by ineligible aliens may have determined the outcome of the election. For instance:

    In Florida, election observers say a “sizable number” of Florida votes in the 2000 election may have been cast by ineligible felons, illegal immigrants, and non-citizens. 6
    In California, former Republican Rep. Robert K. Dornan was defeated by Democrat Loretta Sanchez by 984 votes in the 1996 election. State officials found that at least 300 votes were cast illegally by non-citizens.7 Investigation of the allegations established that aliens had illegally voted in those elections, but not in sufficient numbers to have changed the result. Authorities appear not to have prosecuted any of the aliens who voted illegally.
    - FAIR: Non-Citizen Voting in Federal Elections

    #OccupyMilwaukee Protester May Have Voted Illegally in Wisconsin - Big Government

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    In 2005, the U.S. Government Accountability Office found that up to 3 percent of the 30,000 individuals called for jury duty from voter registration rolls over a two-year period in just one U.S. district court were not U.S. citizens. While that may not seem like many, just 3 percent of registered voters would have been more than enough to provide the winning presiden*tial vote margin in Florida in 2000. - The Cutting Edge News

    Charges were made in at least three federal elections in California 3 4 and twice in Florida5 that voting by ineligible aliens may have determined the outcome of the election. For instance:

    In Florida, election observers say a “sizable number” of Florida votes in the 2000 election may have been cast by ineligible felons, illegal immigrants, and non-citizens. 6
    In California, former Republican Rep. Robert K. Dornan was defeated by Democrat Loretta Sanchez by 984 votes in the 1996 election. State officials found that at least 300 votes were cast illegally by non-citizens.7 Investigation of the allegations established that aliens had illegally voted in those elections, but not in sufficient numbers to have changed the result. Authorities appear not to have prosecuted any of the aliens who voted illegally.
    - FAIR: Non-Citizen Voting in Federal Elections

    #OccupyMilwaukee Protester May Have Voted Illegally in Wisconsin - Big Government

    Dead people can't vote - they need to have their names removed. Felons can't vote - they need to have their names removed. If not, then they can vote - and the law can not be enforced and no conviction.
    3%? In Florida?

    That could have been enough to have gotten Bush elected.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    3%? In Florida?

    That could have been enough to have gotten Bush elected.
    Yes it could. Photo id's would go a long way in helping this situation.

    PS It is well known that the Cuban community did not support the Democrats at the time due to the Illias Gonzalez raid under Clinton.
    Last edited by Black Dog; 12-20-11 at 02:13 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Yes it could. Photo id's would go a long way in helping this situation.

    PS It is well known that the Cuban community did not support the Democrats at the time due to the Illias Gonzalez raid under Clinton.
    OMG! If we had a photo ID requirement back in 2000, we might not have had to survive the Bush administration.

    But, hold on a minute.... we would have had a Gore Administration instead.

    Holy crap, what a choice.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    OMG! If we had a photo ID requirement back in 2000, we might not have had to survive the Bush administration.

    But, hold on a minute.... we would have had a Gore Administration instead.

    Holy crap, what a choice.
    Hehehe! Either way we lose.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    In 2005, the U.S. Government Accountability Office found that up to 3 percent of the 30,000 individuals called for jury duty from voter registration rolls over a two-year period in just one U.S. district court were not U.S. citizens. While that may not seem like many, just 3 percent of registered voters would have been more than enough to provide the winning presiden*tial vote margin in Florida in 2000. - The Cutting Edge News

    Charges were made in at least three federal elections in California 3 4 and twice in Florida5 that voting by ineligible aliens may have determined the outcome of the election. For instance:

    In Florida, election observers say a “sizable number” of Florida votes in the 2000 election may have been cast by ineligible felons, illegal immigrants, and non-citizens. 6
    In California, former Republican Rep. Robert K. Dornan was defeated by Democrat Loretta Sanchez by 984 votes in the 1996 election. State officials found that at least 300 votes were cast illegally by non-citizens.7 Investigation of the allegations established that aliens had illegally voted in those elections, but not in sufficient numbers to have changed the result. Authorities appear not to have prosecuted any of the aliens who voted illegally.
    - FAIR: Non-Citizen Voting in Federal Elections

    #OccupyMilwaukee Protester May Have Voted Illegally in Wisconsin - Big Government

    Dead people can't vote - they need to have their names removed. Felons can't vote - they need to have their names removed. If not, then they can vote - and the law can not be enforced and no conviction.
    Those stories do not cite a single conviction for even one lone individual for voter fraud. Not a single one.

    The material you cited is based on speculation, conjecture and wishful thinking by losers of elections looking for a scapegoat for their defeats as in the Sanchez case.

    Are there people who vote who should not be legally able to vote? I would suspect there are a very small number.
    Are there people who commit voter fraud but get away with it? I would also suspect there are a very small number.
    However, I can prove neither.

    Before we go imposing burdens on a right which is mentioned in the US Constitution in no less than five different places, we better be darn sure there is a real and significant problem that does exist. And when we talk about the voting rights of well over 100 million people, an isolated case here or there does not achieve that level of significance requiring action which could cost honest voters their rights.
    Last edited by haymarket; 12-20-11 at 08:32 AM.
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