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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Requiring an ID only eliminates half the voter fraud issue.
    The other is election workers at the polling places themselves. Even with the ID requirement, they can cast hundreds of votes themselves at the poll with essentially nothing to prevent it, no real way to prosecute, and no way to remove the votes even if the votes they cast were for dead voters as there is no manner to know who those votes were for.
    The greatest election fraud is not by disqualifed voters voting nor people voting more than once coming to polls. It is the poll workers themselves.
    I was an election judge at a poll in the past. I could have easy cast at least 100 votes if I was so inclined. Just vote 100 times and falsify 100 signatures. Even if it proven those signatures false, they couldn't prove I did it nor any manner to figure out which of the 100 votes to erase as there is no linkage of votes cast to the voter.
    In some counties, that is so common that Republicans and Democrats negotiate - "you turn in one precinct and we'll turn in one precinct" back and forth so neither side can know how many votes to add for their side in tight elections. There have been precincts that have turned in more votes than all registered voters in the precinct. It really is simple. The election workers - partisan picked for most jurisdictions, just keep casting more votes. Since they are the polling place "cops", there is nothing to stop it.
    My practice as election judge? I allowed anyone to vote. I'd remember if someone came in more than once. Election fraud so common, I felt mine still the most "accurate" because I didn't cast votes myself nor allow such fake votes cast by anyone. But I didn't challenge anyone either, whether or not they had a voter registration card. Even if not on the voter list I had, those are so screwed up it didn't matter. I just filled out a lost-card form for the person and gave the person a ballot after he/she signed in.

    The only thing that would truly stop voter fraud would be to use biometrics and electronic voter machines (unique thumb print - only I ballot per.) Hard copy paper print out after each vote would address computer manipulation for the most part as the other problem.

    I have no problem with requiring an ID, though I do understand the problem with it and why Democrats would object. Both sides have valid points. But that is NOT the main source of election fraud. Its the poll workers themselves.
    That sounds kind of complicated, technical, and probably expensive.

    Why don't we just dip our finger into indelible ink after casting a ballot? That way, anyone with a purple finger would be ineligible to vote, and no one could vote twice. It seems like I've seen that idea put into place somewhere, haven't you?

    But, there is no reason not to have a photo ID requirement as well.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    That sounds kind of complicated, technical, and probably expensive.

    Why don't we just dip our finger into indelible ink after casting a ballot? That way, anyone with a purple finger would be ineligible to vote, and no one could vote twice. It seems like I've seen that idea put into place somewhere, haven't you?

    But, there is no reason not to have a photo ID requirement as well.
    I'm in favor of that actually. Wouldn't be a bad idea in the least.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

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    You know what? Playdrive, I don't even know why I bother.

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    I'm already having a good night.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    I have no problem with a Federal law requiring all Americans show a government issued picture ID, in order to vote.

    However, the cost of such an ID must be paid for by the govt.
    They don't pay for you passport.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    They don't pay for you passport.
    I don't have a constitutional right to a vacation in Paris.

    why would you want to put a financial burden upon the right to vote? perhaps to keep the poor from voting?

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    I don't have a constitutional right to a vacation in Paris.

    why would you want to put a financial burden upon the right to vote? perhaps to keep the poor from voting?
    They put financial burdens on the right to license a firearm don't they? If someone violates your 1st amendment right, you have to hire an attorney to represent you. And aren't you already using an ID for many other purposes?
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    They put financial burdens on the right to license a firearm don't they? If someone violates your 1st amendment right, you have to hire an attorney to represent you. And aren't you already using an ID for many other purposes?
    Bolded is exactly the point. The only people who may not have any form of photo ID are those "living off the grid" paying cash for all transactions, using little in the way of utilities, subsistence hunting/farming, even then if they use a bank or any other form of financial service they still would have to maintain some form of identification. I don't see how anyone could survive as an adult without at least a basic photo ID, so asking them to show it to vote is not really any big deal.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    I don't see the big conundrum of simply providing a photo ID for something as important as voting.

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    I don't see the big conundrum of simply providing a photo ID for something as important as voting.
    as long as govt. fronts the cost..or reimburses it.

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    There is no evidence that voter fraud of this kind (showing up claiming to be someone you are not) is becoming even a minuscule threat to our voting system. Conservatives and Libertarians should agree that there should be no restrictions on people's fundamental rights (and which right is more fundamental than voting) unless there is some very good reason for it. Until it becomes apparent that voter fraud, and not political corruption, is the objective behind these laws, I wholly oppose them.
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