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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    You know what? Playdrive, I don't even know why I bother.

    You have a good night.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    You know what? Playdrive, I don't even know why I bother.

    You have a good night.
    I do always love how you stop "bothering" after someone (me or another poster) both asks you to substantiate your claims and presents you with an actual academic study of the topic rather than just hearsay to support their argument. There's beauty in that.

    I'm already having a good night.

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Reading is essential which is why I read your words and used them exactly as you wrote them. Sorry. Next time instead of using your exact words in order to remain faithful to them, I'll make something up.
    Fiegning ignorance is pretty much the same thing.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Fiegning ignorance is pretty much the same thing.
    Meh. I used your words. All of sudden, you decided that your words didn't mean what they said. That's not my problem. I can only read what you wrote.

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Meh. I used your words. All of sudden, you decided that your words didn't mean what they said. That's not my problem. I can only read what you wrote.
    No, you used a weak semantics ploy. It was obvious what I said, thus you are feigning ignorance.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Requiring an ID only eliminates half the voter fraud issue.
    The other is election workers at the polling places themselves. Even with the ID requirement, they can cast hundreds of votes themselves at the poll with essentially nothing to prevent it, no real way to prosecute, and no way to remove the votes even if the votes they cast were for dead voters as there is no manner to know who those votes were for.
    The greatest election fraud is not by disqualifed voters voting nor people voting more than once coming to polls. It is the poll workers themselves.
    I was an election judge at a poll in the past. I could have easy cast at least 100 votes if I was so inclined. Just vote 100 times and falsify 100 signatures. Even if it proven those signatures false, they couldn't prove I did it nor any manner to figure out which of the 100 votes to erase as there is no linkage of votes cast to the voter.
    In some counties, that is so common that Republicans and Democrats negotiate - "you turn in one precinct and we'll turn in one precinct" back and forth so neither side can know how many votes to add for their side in tight elections. There have been precincts that have turned in more votes than all registered voters in the precinct. It really is simple. The election workers - partisan picked for most jurisdictions, just keep casting more votes. Since they are the polling place "cops", there is nothing to stop it.
    My practice as election judge? I allowed anyone to vote. I'd remember if someone came in more than once. Election fraud so common, I felt mine still the most "accurate" because I didn't cast votes myself nor allow such fake votes cast by anyone. But I didn't challenge anyone either, whether or not they had a voter registration card. Even if not on the voter list I had, those are so screwed up it didn't matter. I just filled out a lost-card form for the person and gave the person a ballot after he/she signed in.

    The only thing that would truly stop voter fraud would be to use biometrics and electronic voter machines (unique thumb print - only I ballot per.) Hard copy paper print out after each vote would address computer manipulation for the most part as the other problem.

    I have no problem with requiring an ID, though I do understand the problem with it and why Democrats would object. Both sides have valid points. But that is NOT the main source of election fraud. Its the poll workers themselves.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    I do always love how you stop "bothering" after someone (me or another poster) both asks you to substantiate your claims and presents you with an actual academic study of the topic rather than just hearsay to support their argument. There's beauty in that.
    What would be the point? No matter what anyone asks or says you come back with exactly the same reply over and over. So I have decided it is no longer worth even arguing about it with you.

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    I'm already having a good night.
    Yep, I am certain you are.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by bicycleman View Post
    I have to show a photo ID in Virginia where I live, and I don't see anything wrong with it, what with all the dead people clamoring to vote in recent Presidential elections, not to mention all those illegal aliens being registered to vote by Acorn activists.
    You can count on your hands an toes the number of fraudulent voting in a year in this country. Seems like to me the deterrent of five years in prison and a $10,000 fine is working great, why risk disenfranchising 5 million voters???
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    And i posted factual cases of voter fraud with real live people found and convicted. It is real, it happens, and all you care about is hey...as long as its OUR guys committing the fruad (which shockingly enough ALWAYS seems to be the case).
    Go back and read your reference again.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Why would that be the case when only 86 people from 2002-2007 have been convicted of committing federal election related crimes? OUR side doesn't benefit from the less than 86 people who were convicted of fraud. Your argument doesn't even make any sense.
    His link didn't cite voter fraud.
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