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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Bad vote equals election. It was used in the sense of "get out the vote", not surprised you missed that.
    I didn't miss anything. I used your exact words. You said, "You can do more damage with a bad vote than a gun." People usually give each other crap for inferring things in their words that aren't there and here I literally use the exact words you wrote on the paper and now you're telling me that I should have inferred instead of just taking what was on the page. Unbelievable.

    You said, "a vote" and "a gun". I used your words. It's really damn pathetic for you to insult me for that. You're just backtracking and it's sad. Take responsibility for your language.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    I didn't miss anything. I used your exact words. You said, "You can do more damage with a bad vote than a gun." People usually give each other crap for inferring things in their words that aren't there and here I literally use the exact words you wrote on the paper and now you're telling me that I should have inferred instead of just taking what was on the page. Unbelievable.

    You said, "a vote" and "a gun". I used your words. It's really damn pathetic for you to insult me for that. You're just backtracking and it's sad. Take responsibility for your language.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    It's not a lot no matter how much you swing it because it has zero effect on the elections which is the problem that voter fraud would pose if it existed in any way that mattered.

    And it's funny that you think "I'm trying desperately to make it sound like much less than it really is". Dude, I'm literally REPORTING THE NUMBERS. What do you want me to do? Add a couple hundred just to make you happy? No, I'll report the # of convictions. Reporting the actual numbers and not manipulating them is as honest as it gets.

    In fact, I've actually increased the number from what it actually is. 86 people were convicted of federal elections crimes in general, but only 70 were convicted of voter fraud, so now that you're trying to accuse me of doing something I'm not, I'm going to be even more honest and even more inconvenient for you - 70 people, not 86, in 5 years.
    So I guess Federal crimes are not much of a problem. So lets do nothing about it.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    So I guess Federal crimes are not much of a problem. So lets do nothing about it.
    I'm pretty sure we are doing a lot about it which is why voter fraud is so incredibly low that it's negligible.

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    There's no "common sense" in saying, "Look we have a problem that isn't that much of a problem and is probably as close to perfect as we're going to get for federal elections, so let's just add another restriction onto other people's rights." Absolutely not.
    In your misguided opinion I would agree, but reality says we have a problem and requiring ID is no more an infringement on a right than requiring an id to buy cigarettes or alcohol.

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    I enjoy my rights and they ought not be restricted unless a significant problem becomes apparent OR unless the government ensures that every person eligible to vote gets an ID.
    So far 2 federal courts have said it is not a restriction on anyone's rights, and I happen to agree. You need an ID in this day and age, just a fact of life.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    I'm pretty sure we are doing a lot about it which is why voter fraud is so incredibly low that it's negligible.
    So are federal crimes in general according to your statistics, So you should also support getting rid of those laws as well since they are not handing out allot of convictions, right? Then again who cares if only a few thousand people get illegally registered and then illegally vote. Not your problem, I understand.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    The vote is interchangeable with elections for the purposes of the conversation. Reading is essential.
    Reading is essential which is why I read your words and used them exactly as you wrote them. Sorry. Next time instead of using your exact words in order to remain faithful to them, I'll make something up.

    Besides, saying, "a bad election can do more damage than a gun" doesn't even make sense within the context of this thread. The thread is about voter fraud in federal elections. There isn't enough voter fraud on that level to cause a "bad election" as the result of voter fraud. So even that backtracking interpretation of your comment doesn't hold water within the context of the thread. Moreover, because voter fraud exists on such a small level, it would make more sense to refer to "a vote" than an entire election which you seemed to understand before you backtracked.

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    In your misguided opinion I would agree, but reality says we have a problem and requiring ID is no more an infringement on a right than requiring an id to buy cigarettes or alcohol.
    70 people out of millions is not a problem. Also, I didn't say it was an "infringement of right", I said it was a "restriction". I used that word for a reason. Please use my actual words instead of inserting your own.

    And yes, it is no more a RESTRICTION than requiring an ID for cigarettes or alcohol, I agree. However, I don't support restrictions on action unless a significant problem is apparent. 70 people is not a significant problem. When it gets to be 1000, give me a call.

    So far 2 federal courts have said it is not a restriction on anyone's rights, and I happen to agree. You need an ID in this day and age, just a fact of life.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    So are federal crimes in general according to your statistics, So you should also support getting rid of those laws as well since they are not handing out allot of convictions, right? Then again who cares if only a few thousand people get illegally registered and then illegally vote. Not your problem, I understand.
    There you go again. Jumping to conclusions that I haven't made with emotional appeals that have absolutely no effect on me.

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Reading is essential which is why I read your words and used them exactly as you wrote them. Sorry. Next time instead of using your exact words in order to remain faithful to them, I'll make something up.

    Besides, saying, "a bad election can do more damage than a gun" doesn't even make sense within the context of this thread. The thread is about voter fraud in federal elections. There isn't enough voter fraud on that level to cause a "bad election" as the result of voter fraud. So even that backtracking interpretation of your comment doesn't hold water within the context of the thread. Moreover, because voter fraud exists on such a small level, it would make more sense to refer to "a vote" than an entire election which you seemed to understand before you backtracked.
    Looking back at 2000 and 2004 the way the Democrats and Republicans screamed fraud, I can honestly say that is purely a matter of opinion.
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