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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    The risks of a firearm going to the wrong person have far more severe consequences than a vote going to the wrong person.
    That is one perspective. When the nation's citizens come to believe that the vote is not legitimate there is one more reason for revolution. So let's make sure the vote is seen as legitimate. We must take reasonable steps to ensure that only those who are authorized to vote may do so. We also need to make sure that votes are counted properly.

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    I’ve been reading the posts on this thread. I’m surprised that this subject has made a root cause of the difference between people on the Right and the Left stand out. I’m going to omit any particular issue because that issue itself will become the point of discussion. I’m looking at a more root cause of the difference. Let me put it this way: Any fraud is bad, criminal, from the POV of the Right. Fraud, from the POV of the left, is bad also. And any particular incremental case of fraud is thought to be equivalently bad by both the Left and Right. The difference lies in the next step; i.e. what to do about it. The Left and Right want an easy solution to stop the fraud. The Left wants to understand the frequency of the frauds. The Right knows that any fraud is bad and must be stopped. The Left looks at the easy solutions and finds them inadequate for stopping intentional fraud by individuals. The Right knows that any fraud is bad and must be stopped. The Left analyzes effective solutions and finds the side effects will be worse than the problem. The Right knows that any fraud is bad and effective solution must be applied by the Government and the Left must be complicit in the fraud because they aren’t willing to stop large organized voter fraud or the possibility of a fraudulent voter voting. So it’s: Any fraud is bad and must be stopped. Vs. Ok there may be some fraud but the solutions are worse. Follow the rules vs. analysis. Agreement is impossible.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    I have no problem with a Federal law requiring all Americans show a government issued picture ID, in order to vote.

    However, the cost of such an ID must be paid for by the govt.

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    I have no problem with a Federal law requiring all Americans show a government issued picture ID, in order to vote.

    However, the cost of such an ID must be paid for by the govt.
    Well - I don't think the fed gov has the right to require one - but i imagine they'd pay for it if they did like social security cards.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    Iíve been reading the posts on this thread. Iím surprised that this subject has made a root cause of the difference between people on the Right and the Left stand out. Iím going to omit any particular issue because that issue itself will become the point of discussion. Iím looking at a more root cause of the difference. Let me put it this way: Any fraud is bad, criminal, from the POV of the Right. Fraud, from the POV of the left, is bad also. And any particular incremental case of fraud is thought to be equivalently bad by both the Left and Right. The difference lies in the next step; i.e. what to do about it. The Left and Right want an easy solution to stop the fraud. The Left wants to understand the frequency of the frauds. The Right knows that any fraud is bad and must be stopped. The Left looks at the easy solutions and finds them inadequate for stopping intentional fraud by individuals. The Right knows that any fraud is bad and must be stopped. The Left analyzes effective solutions and finds the side effects will be worse than the problem. The Right knows that any fraud is bad and effective solution must be applied by the Government and the Left must be complicit in the fraud because they arenít willing to stop large organized voter fraud or the possibility of a fraudulent voter voting. So itís: Any fraud is bad and must be stopped. Vs. Ok there may be some fraud but the solutions are worse. Follow the rules vs. analysis. Agreement is impossible.

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    That is one perspective. When the nation's citizens come to believe that the vote is not legitimate there is one more reason for revolution. So let's make sure the vote is seen as legitimate. We must take reasonable steps to ensure that only those who are authorized to vote may do so. We also need to make sure that votes are counted properly.
    I don't see revolution because of voter fraud to be an actual possibility so that doesn't concern me. Moreover, the United States already has taken reasonable steps to ensure that only those who are authorized to vote may do so which is which why only 70 people in 5 years from 2002-2007 were convicted of voter fraud for federal elections. Those are near perfect elections.

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    You can do more damage with a bad vote than a gun. A shooter can take out x number of people during a rampage ruining y amount of lives but a bad politician can ruin all of our lives simultaneously.
    Actually, no you can't. A shooter can take out X number of people and a bad vote will have zero effect on an election because it's beyond negligible. Nice try, but no cigar.

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    That wasn't the reasoning.
    The reasoning was that it is a Constitutional right, although even that is debatable, but none the less, so is firearm ownership.
    If your reasoning was just to show that firearm ownership and voting are rights, why would you mention the requirements for obtaining a firearm and highlight "show a photo ID"? You could have just said, "Owning a firearm is a right too".

    I disagree that a vote going to the wrong person is a lesser evil.
    Which doesn't make much sense considering that one gun can kill a bunch of people and one vote does absolutely nothing to a federal election.

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    It is very hard for the dead to get photo IDs.
    And the repeat voters would have to get reasonably good second, third, and fourth sets of photo ID...darned inconvenient.
    Illegal aliens? They would not have the opportunity to vote.

    Those categories could account for as much as 10% of the Democratic voters. And you want to disenfranchise them...some repeatedly!
    How do you know they wouldn't account for even more Republican voters?
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Actually, no you can't. A shooter can take out X number of people and a bad vote will have zero effect on an election because it's beyond negligible. Nice try, but no cigar.
    There isn't enough free memory out there to adequately describe how wrong you are on both counts. If I gave you the detailed history of bad governance you would be here a while.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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