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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    That wasn't the reasoning.
    The reasoning was that it is a Constitutional right, although even that is debatable, but none the less, so is firearm ownership.

    I disagree that a vote going to the wrong person is a lesser evil.
    So a terrorist legally purchasing guns is a lesser evil? Has anybody ever died because of voter fraud? If voter fraud is discovered and is proven, then there should be a legal remedy. If somebody currently is in office and won that office through fraud, then they should not be excused from their position until a fair elect has occurred or the votes are counted accurately. If everybody is so damn concerned about fraud, and that's a legitimate concern btw, they you should concern yourself's with solutions and remedies when fraud actually does occur. Simply creating this type of legislation is not going to prevent all types of fraud. You can't bring somebody back from the dead however, so I'd say putting a gun in the wrong hands is definitively not the lesser evil.

    Furthermore, if people want to prevent voter fraud... again it's a legitimate concern, then have the discussion in an honest manner. Does anybody here have an example of large scale voter fraud actually swaying an election in this country? How secure is our voting system as it is? How many of you honestly know?

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    The amount of people it will negatively effect, is about the same as the amount of people that get convicted of voter fraud.
    It's a ridiculous charge, that getting an ID is a hardship.
    Why does it have to be an ID... why not a social security card, a birth certificate, or something even stating you're a legal resident? I don't think the government should force us to jump through hoops to vote. Wanting to protect a democratic process is a value we can all respect, but why can't it be achieved in other ways... other ways that won't cost the voter any money at all? Something from the voter board, a specific Id saying you're a legitimate voter even... why create extra steps and cause a voter to go stand in line at the license of motor vehicles and during election season for hours and pay a charge? Sorry, but if I ever end up standing in an overcrowded office of motor vehicles Oct - Nov just to cast a vote because of government legislation, I'll be ****ing pissed. Voting shouldn't be an unnecessary, inconvenience and hassle, and it definitely shouldn't cost us any money to vote.

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang, in post #198 View Post
    That's not what the article says is it? It shows that both Clinton's and Obama's signatures had around 150 fraudulant signatures. [...]
    No, it doesn't.

    Amazing that you'd expect intelligent, rational people to believe such an obvious lie.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang, earlier, in post #183, quoting the article View Post
    An estimated 150 of the signatures on both petitions may be fakes, [...]
    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang, in post #198, concluding View Post
    [...] I haven't suggested anything. I've just stated what the article said. Nothing more, nothing less.
    Mmm, mmm, mmm.... hair on fire.
    Last edited by Karl; 12-17-11 at 09:18 PM.

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    So a terrorist legally purchasing guns is a lesser evil? Has anybody ever died because of voter fraud? If voter fraud is discovered and is proven, then there should be a legal remedy. If somebody currently is in office and won that office through fraud, then they should not be excused from their position until a fair elect has occurred or the votes are counted accurately. If everybody is so damn concerned about fraud, and that's a legitimate concern btw, they you should concern yourself's with solutions and remedies when fraud actually does occur. Simply creating this type of legislation is not going to prevent all types of fraud. You can't bring somebody back from the dead however, so I'd say putting a gun in the wrong hands is definitively not the lesser evil.

    Furthermore, if people want to prevent voter fraud... again it's a legitimate concern, then have the discussion in an honest manner. Does anybody here have an example of large scale voter fraud actually swaying an election in this country? How secure is our voting system as it is? How many of you honestly know?
    I dunno, some pretty bad people have been elected before, but I really don't want to Godwin this thread up.
    It's fine, I just don't see a problem with voter ID, if it's required to get a gun, it should be a requirement to vote.

    It's not unreasonable at all.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Why does it have to be an ID... why not a social security card, a birth certificate, or something even stating you're a legal resident? I don't think the government should force us to jump through hoops to vote. Wanting to protect a democratic process is a value we can all respect, but why can't it be achieved in other ways... other ways that won't cost the voter any money at all? Something from the voter board, a specific Id saying you're a legitimate voter even... why create extra steps and cause a voter to go stand in line at the license of motor vehicles and during election season for hours and pay a charge? Sorry, but if I ever end up standing in an overcrowded office of motor vehicles Oct - Nov just to cast a vote because of government legislation, I'll be ****ing pissed. Voting shouldn't be an unnecessary, inconvenience and hassle, and it definitely shouldn't cost us any money to vote.
    In my state the made ID's free, for those who stated they couldn't afford it.
    No income verification required.

    Voting is already an inconvenience and the overwhelming, vast majority of people already have photo ID's.
    This should be a no brainer.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I dunno, some pretty bad people have been elected before, but I really don't want to Godwin this thread up.
    It's fine, I just don't see a problem with voter ID, if it's required to get a gun, it should be a requirement to vote.

    It's not unreasonable at all.
    You can do more damage with a bad vote than a gun. A shooter can take out x number of people during a rampage ruining y amount of lives but a bad politician can ruin all of our lives simultaneously.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Of course. This one requirement will significantly cut down on potential voter fraud. Combine this with Conservatives getting out a vote too large for the other party to steal the elections and the future begins to look bright once again.

    Now if we could just get the Justice Department to prosecute voter intimidation...nah, bridge too far. This administration does not go after black on white voter intimidation. It has a vested interest in the outcome.

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    How would it disenfranchise voters? We're used to showing photo ID for stuff.
    It is very hard for the dead to get photo IDs.
    And the repeat voters would have to get reasonably good second, third, and fourth sets of photo ID...darned inconvenient.
    Illegal aliens? They would not have the opportunity to vote.

    Those categories could account for as much as 10% of the Democratic voters. And you want to disenfranchise them...some repeatedly!

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    . . .It's usually true that when voter turnout is suppressed, that's good for the Republican party. I wonder if the real reason it's a cause celebre on the right these days has anything to do with that....actually I don't. It's all about winning, not what's right or fair.
    Yeah. I admit it. I want to supress the Democratic vote. Especially the dead voter, the repeat voters (vote early, vote often) and the illegal alien voters. You got me on that one.

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Citizens with comparatively low incomes are less likely to possess documentation proving their citizenship. ...

    Elderly citizens are less likely to possess government-issued photo identification...


    Minority citizens are less likely to possess government-issued photo identification. According to the survey, African-American citizens also disproportionately lack photo identification. Twenty-five percent of African-American voting-age citizens have no current government-issued photo ID, compared to eight percent of white voting-age citizens.10 Using 2000 census figures, this amounts to more than 5.5 million adult African-American citizens without photo identification. Our survey also indicated that sixteen percent of Hispanic voting-age citizens have no current government-issued photo ID, but due to a low sample size, the results did not achieve statistical significance

    http://www.brennancenter.org/page/-/...file_39242.pdf
    If they cannot meet the basic essentials of survival, by definition, doesn't that make them democrats?
    How many blacks are felons? What is the number? 25%? 30%?

    If they are unable to do this very simple thing they are nothing more than fodder for the Democrats. Let them get off their butts and get a government issued photo ID.

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