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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    It's not the most extreme burden, but I'm not a fan of restricting rights unless a significant problem becomes apparent that requires a restriction Voter fraud in federal elections is negligible with less than 86 people being convicted of it in five years. That's not worth restricting rights even further, particularly when it will affect some people.
    As I keep mentioning their were only 2 Federal elections in that time frame so 86, is allot. You are trying desperately to make it sound like it is much less than it really is. You are also desperately trying to leave out state and local elections.

    That is also convictions only, how many were arrested and then went to trial? How many got off?

    Your reasoning is flawed.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    ThePlayDrive, correcto mundo.

    What I see in this thread is a lot of bigotry and paranoia.
    You are confusing "bigotry" and "paranoia" with common sense.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    The amount of people it will negatively effect, is about the same as the amount of people that get convicted of voter fraud.
    It's a ridiculous charge, that getting an ID is a hardship.
    And this still doesn't change my position that rights should only be restricted, no matter how small the restriction, if a significant problem affects itself. I find it funny that libertarians and conservatives are willing to add restrictions on rights for negligible problems.

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    Since another Presidential election is coming up, how about this topic again?

    Should people have to show their photo ID in order to vote in US presidential elections? Why or why not?
    I already do. It's a means of verifying that you are who you say you are so they don't cross the wrong name off the list - really.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Owning a firearm is a constitutional right, yet I have to fill out a government questionnaire, pass a background check and show a photo ID, to purchase one.
    Cannot the director of your local militia process that for you?
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I don't agree. You say that requireing ID to get a gun, a constitutional right, is a good thing because guns can kill. Would you apply the same logic to freedom of speech even though it can kill also?

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    I already articulated my "general logic" in my first post. Rights should only be restricted when a significant problem presents itself. Yelling "fire" in a theater is a significant problem - therefore, free speech should be limited in that sense. Psychos who don't need guns is also a problem, so IDs are a logical restriction Cyber-bullying is only a problem if it becomes harassment which is also a significant problem. Voter fraud - not a significant problem.

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Lots of things have part of their origins in other cultures and nations. That is nothing new. Basketball is suppose to go back to Mayan or Aztec culture.

    I do understand your contention that baseball is boring. It is slow and you really have to understand the nuances of the game to appreciate the slower moments. I know you love tennis but truthfully I found that also boring. I do love badminton - as a playing sport - however. To each their own I guess.
    Badminton-like table tennis-is a great sport that is not given much respect in this country.

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    As I keep mentioning their were only 2 Federal elections in that time frame so 86, is allot. You are trying desperately to make it sound like it is much less than it really is. You are also desperately trying to leave out state and local elections.

    That is also convictions only, how many were arrested and then went to trial? How many got off?

    Your reasoning is flawed.
    It's not a lot no matter how much you swing it because it has zero effect on the elections which is the problem that voter fraud would pose if it existed in any way that mattered.

    And it's funny that you think "I'm trying desperately to make it sound like much less than it really is". Dude, I'm literally REPORTING THE NUMBERS. What do you want me to do? Add a couple hundred just to make you happy? No, I'll report the # of convictions. Reporting the actual numbers and not manipulating them is as honest as it gets.

    In fact, I've actually increased the number from what it actually is. 86 people were convicted of federal elections crimes in general, but only 70 were convicted of voter fraud, so now that you're trying to accuse me of doing something I'm not, I'm going to be even more honest and even more inconvenient for you - 70 people, not 86, in 5 years.

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    You are confusing "bigotry" and "paranoia" with common sense.
    There's no "common sense" in saying, "Look we have a problem that isn't that much of a problem and is probably as close to perfect as we're going to get for federal elections, so let's just add another restriction onto other people's rights." Absolutely not. I enjoy my rights and they ought not be restricted unless a significant problem becomes apparent OR unless the government ensures that every person eligible to vote gets an ID.

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    That wasn't the reasoning.
    The reasoning was that it is a Constitutional right, although even that is debatable, but none the less, so is firearm ownership.

    I disagree that a vote going to the wrong person is a lesser evil.
    So a terrorist legally purchasing guns is a lesser evil? Has anybody ever died because of voter fraud? If voter fraud is discovered and is proven, then there should be a legal remedy. If somebody currently is in office and won that office through fraud, then they should not be excused from their position until a fair elect has occurred or the votes are counted accurately. If everybody is so damn concerned about fraud, and that's a legitimate concern btw, they you should concern yourself's with solutions and remedies when fraud actually does occur. Simply creating this type of legislation is not going to prevent all types of fraud. You can't bring somebody back from the dead however, so I'd say putting a gun in the wrong hands is definitively not the lesser evil.

    Furthermore, if people want to prevent voter fraud... again it's a legitimate concern, then have the discussion in an honest manner. Does anybody here have an example of large scale voter fraud actually swaying an election in this country? How secure is our voting system as it is? How many of you honestly know?

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