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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    This may surprise you but many of the elderly, the poor, students, and minorities do not have a photo ID.

    What purpose does increasing hardship on some to vote serve?
    Here is why:


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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Here is why:

    Just as I surmised.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    Since another Presidential election is coming up, how about this topic again?

    Should people have to show their photo ID in order to vote in US presidential elections? Why or why not?
    If the government sets up a system where people who don't have IDs will be guaranteed to get them, then sure, but when somebody posted a governor's past efforts to make IDs a requirement, it turned out that the governor had decided to shut down DMVs in lower income areas where people are less likely to have ID.

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Wouldnt it be swell if we didnt have people that were committing acts of fraud? I know...I know...its sad...but it happens. Now...Im sure that most of those cases involve republicans...but the fact is that a simple matter of showing an ID...the same process required to pick up social security checks, prescription meds, cigarettes, alcohol, cash a check, use a credit card, board an airplane, drive a car, etc would go a long way to eliminating the fraud. And face it...stop the tap dancing and be ****ing honest for once....the ONLY reason people oppose such a simple act as flashing an ID card is they know damned good and well which side is likely to benefit from those illegal votes. Anyone that says otherwise is full of ****.

    "However, the problems with the latest petitions seem to involve at least one homeless man, who told the Chicago Sun-Times that he was paid to gather more than 3,000 voter signatures for each of two rival candidates."

    "But every once in a while there are reminders of the old "four legged voting," in which ward bosses accompanied voters into the booths to give them a hand. In August, two former ward operatives were sentenced to nearly a year in jail after being convicted of steering absentee votes to Alderman Bernard Stone, in some cases by filling out others' ballots themselves."
    With Mayor Richard M. Daley's retirement opening up the office for the first time in 21 years, Illinois authorities find themselves investigating allegations that candidates to succeed him turned in ballot-nomination petitions "signed" and "stamped" by notaries who didn't actually sign or stamp them.
    "The false notary, that's a brand new one on me," said Don Rose, a longtime Chicago political analyst who has worked on election reform campaigns.
    "The nominating petitions for city office will help keep fraud alive, said Rose. "If you have to hire people to get your signatures and pay them per signature, those people are going to cheat," he said

    Chicago Voting Problems: No Dead Voters, But Several Forged Petitions

    "A review of election records has found 641 dead New Mexicans remain on voter registration rolls, a top official in the secretary of state’s office said Wednesday.

    That information will be part of a report to the Legislature on preliminary findings of a review of voter registration records, said Ken Ortiz, chief of staff for Secretary of State Dianna Duran. The report may be released as early as Thursday.

    About 1.1 million New Mexicans are registered to vote. Duran, a Republican, raised questions earlier in the year that some non-citizens may be wrongly eligible to vote in the state. The issue arose after her office checked records of foreign nationals, potentially including illegal immigrants, who have received driver’s licenses under a 2003 law that Republican Gov. Susana Martinez proposes to repeal."

    "I'm sorry, but she passed on two years ago," said a mustached man wearing a Dallas Cowboys baseball cap and driving a motorized chair down the street. He was Linda Hill's husband, Henderson Hill Jr.
    Linda Kay Hill, a homemaker and Louisiana native, died Aug. 2, 2006, of a heart attack, her husband recalled, and is buried at Houston Memorial Gardens in Pearland. But Harris County voter records indicate she –- or someone using her identity –- cast a ballot in the November election that year. Linda Hill of Woodwick Street voted in person on Election Day, records show.
    She is among the more than 4,000 people whose names are listed both on Harris County's voter rolls and also in a federal database of death records, a Texas Watchdog analysis has found.
    And dozens of those people, like Linda Hill, have apparently cast ballots from beyond the grave, records since 2004 show. One expert says the number of deceased names used to cast ballots may be higher than what Texas Watchdog's analysis found.
    Instances of dead voters' names being used to cast ballots were most frequent in three elections, the November 2004 general election, the November 2006 general election and the March 2008 Democratic primary, the analysis found."
    Texas Watchdog | Investigating government waste, fraud and abuse in Texas

    Madison County, FL -- November 1, 2011 --

    The Florida Department of Law Enforcement (FDLE) Tallahassee Regional Operations Center and the Tallahassee office of the Federal Bureau of Investigation today arrested eight individuals in connection with multiple voter fraud violations that occurred in Madison County’s District One School Board race last year.

    The investigation began in November 2010 after FDLE was contacted by the Department of State’s Division of Elections regarding possible fraud in the 2010 Madison County election. The complaint noted that the District One School Board race, which was won by candidate Abra “Tina” Hill Johnson, had an extraordinarily disproportionate amount of absentee votes.

    The investigation revealed that Johnson and her husband, Ernest Sinclair Johnson, Jr., approached voters and obtained their agreement to vote, after which the voters were asked to sign an “Absentee Ballot Request Form.” Without the voters’ knowledge or consent, an alternate address was handwritten on the form, causing the ballots to be mailed to a third party rather than directly to the registered voters. In 2010, Florida law required ballots to be sent to a voter’s registered address unless the voter was absent from the county, hospitalized, or temporarily unable to occupy their residence. The Johnsons retrieved the ballots from the third party locations, brought the ballots to the voter, waited for the person to vote, and then returned the ballots to the Supervisor of Elections. In some instances, the voters were only presented with the absentee ballot signature envelope to sign and never received the actual ballot to cast their vote.

    The Johnsons also secured the assistance of several other individuals to unlawfully obtain absentee ballots directly from the Supervisor of Elections. Despite written notice of penalties of perjury, these individuals signed and submitted an “Affidavit to Obtain Absentee Ballot,” claiming to have been authorized by voter to obtain their absentee ballot. These individuals, however, were unknown to the voters.

    Abra “Tina” Hill Johnson, 43, was charged with 10 counts of fraud in connection with casting a vote, and two counts of absentee ballots and voting violations. Her husband Ernest Sinclair Johnson, Jr., 45, was charged with 11 counts of fraud in connection with casting votes, one count of corruptly influencing voting, and one count of perjury by false written declaration. Jada Woods Williams, 34, Madison County Supervisor of Elections, was charged with 17 counts of neglect of duty and corrupt practices for allowing the distribution of these absentee ballots, contrary to Florida state statute.

    The following individuals, all residents of Madison, Fla., were arrested for their role in the fraud:

    * Judy Ann Crumitie, 51, charged with four counts of fraud in connection with casting a vote, and one count of providing a false report to law enforcement authorities

    * Laverne V. Haynes, 57, charged with two counts of fraud in connection with casting a vote, two counts of perjury by false written declaration, and one count of providing a false report to law enforcement authorities

    * Ora Bell Rivers, 41, charged with seven counts of fraud in connection with casting a vote, three counts of perjury by false written declaration, and one count of providing a false report to law enforcement authorities

    * Raven Simona Williams, 20, charged with two counts of fraud in connection with casting a vote, two counts of perjury by false written declaration, and one count of providing a false report to law enforcement authorities

    * Shalonda Michaelle Brinson, 36, charged with nine counts of fraud in connection with casting a vote, and one count of provided a false report to law enforcement authorities.

    The case will be prosecuted by the State Attorney’s Office, Second Judicial Circuit. The investigation is ongoing and more arrests are possible.

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    We're the only state in the union without voter registration. However, you must provide photo ID. It is more than fair to ask.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Anyone that says otherwise is full of ****. .
    I love when people put this in their posts after sharing an opinion, not a fact. "Anybody who doesn't agree with my baseless opinion is full of **** even if you really don't believe what I just told you you do." It's a weak tactic. There are certainly more reasons to oppose it.

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    I love when people put this in their posts after sharing an opinion, not a fact. "Anybody who doesn't agree with my baseless opinion is full of **** even if you really don't believe what I just told you you do." It's a weak tactic. There are certainly more reasons to oppose it.
    Sorry you feel that way. Still...two words..."Bull", immediately followed by "****."

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Sorry you feel that way. Still...two words..."Bull", immediately followed by "****."
    It's not actually a feeling. It's the truth. It's weak to say, "If you don't agree with my opinion, you're full of it". It's just a way to shield yourself from the reality of legitimate counter-arguments by telling people what they believe when you actually have no idea.

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    This may surprise you but many of the elderly, the poor, students, and minorities do not have a photo ID.

    What purpose does increasing hardship on some to vote serve?
    Everyone should have a photo ID. It's just a basic action that really doesn't require any hard work.


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    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    It's not actually a feeling. It's the truth. It's weak to say, "If you don't agree with my opinion, you're full of it". It's just a way to shield yourself from the reality of legitimate counter-arguments by telling people what they believe when you actually have no idea.
    There is absolutely no reason to object to showing an ID to vote OTHER than to preserve the opportunity for fraud. Senior citizens can't get their SS checks or basic medical care without an ID. Students have them. Anyone that wants to buy liquor or smokes or drive. You can bother to register to vote, you can bother to take the time to vote, you can flash that ID to show you are who you are.

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