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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    The point is...to stop those almost non-existent cases of voter fraud...you'd make it so that millions of Americans will have problems voting. This is why those laws are being passed...

    Citizens with comparatively low incomes are less likely to possess documentation proving their citizenship. Citizens earning less than $25,000 per year are more than twice as likely to lack ready documentation of their citizenship as those earning more than $25,000.4 Indeed, the survey indicates that at least 12 percent of voting-age American citizens earning less than $25,000 per year do not have a readily available U.S. passport, naturalization document, or birth certificate

    Elderly citizens are less likely to possess government-issued photo identification. Survey results indicate that seniors disproportionately lack photo identification. Eighteen percent of American citizens age 65 and above do not have current government-issued photo ID.9 Using 2005 census estimates, this amounts to more than 6 million senior citizens.

    Minority citizens are less likely to possess government-issued photo identification. According to the survey, African-American citizens also disproportionately lack photo identification. Twenty-five percent of African-American voting-age citizens have no current government-issued photo ID, compared to eight percent of white voting-age citizens.10 Using 2000 census figures, this amounts to more than 5.5 million adult African-American citizens without photo identification. Our survey also indicated that sixteen percent of Hispanic voting-age citizens have no current government-issued photo ID, but due to a low sample size, the results did not achieve statistical significance

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/editpo...87&do=editpost
    So you are saying that all those people that want to vote and get ID card would be better served by having them and we manage to help people out ALONG with ensuring they are legally able to cast votes. Good points!

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Voting should be a duty...a responsibility. We expect people to take responsibility when they are cashing a check, using a credit card, buying popcord at a theater with a debit card, buy cigarettes, buy alcohol, apply for and pick up government assistance, drive a vehicle go to the doctor, get medicine, get entry into bars, clubs, dancehalls, installations, federal buildings...on and on. It is not unrealistic or unreasonable to expect people to show a picture ID when voting. The only people that are opposed to that are people that know fraud is being committed, know who is committing it, and knows who benefits from it. Sure...its very sad that we have vermin that would cheat, lie, commit fraud. Thats tragic but a reality. It happens all across the country. It can be effectively managed with the simple act of showing that same card that every elderly person has and has to show to get services, that every poor person has and has to show to get services. No disenfranchisement. No downside.
    You keep saying the bold for the same reasons you always do - to quell disagreement by trying to discredit the valid arguments of those who disagree. It's a weak and desperate debate tactic that gives you permission to ignore other people's arguments rather than just simply disagree with them.

    You continue to ignore the fact that there is no benefit for any party from less than 86 people in 5 years committing fraud. None. Consequently, your claim goes out of the window because the people who you are claiming will benefit from fraud can't benefit from it - it's 86 people in 5 years. That has zero effect on election outcomes.

    Furthermore, it doesn't matter if you think it should be a duty or responsibility. Voting is a right and if the government has certain conditions for people exercising their right, then they sure as better make sure that everyone in the country meets those conditions and they aren't.

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    I didn't say it should be ignored. I said the problem is exaggerated and inconsequential and usually the fault of mistakes rather than organized fraud.
    You are right, you said you don't care. That really is a huge leap to ignore.

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    I already said, I don't care if IDs are required as long as the government ensures that everyone gets an ID. And it's clear that they aren't doing that.
    The Indiana Supreme Court said Wednesday that the photo ID requirement was not a "substantive voter qualification."It cited the U.S. Supreme Court's 2008 ruling in a federal court challenge by the state Democratic Party to the Indiana law that said a photo ID is required to enter federal buildings and board planes and voting was equally important."The voter ID law's requirement that an in-person voter present a government-issued photo identification card containing an expiration date is merely regulatory in nature," Dickson wrote. - Supreme Court Upholds Indiana Voter ID Law - Indiana News Story - WRTV Indianapolis

    It's clear that is not the states responsibly.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    You keep saying the bold for the same reasons you always do - to quell disagreement by trying to discredit the valid arguments of those who disagree. It's a weak and desperate debate tactic that gives you permission to ignore other people's arguments rather than just simply disagree with them.

    You continue to ignore the fact that there is no benefit for any party from less than 86 people in 5 years committing fraud. None. Consequently, your claim goes out of the window because the people who you are claiming will benefit from fraud can't benefit from it - it's 86 people in 5 years. That has zero effect on election outcomes.

    Furthermore, it doesn't matter if you think it should be a duty or responsibility. Voting is a right and if the government has certain conditions for people exercising their right, then they sure as better make sure that everyone in the country meets those conditions and they aren't.
    Thats right...I keep saying the same thing because it comes down to the same basic simple fact...anyone that opposes the simple act of showing an ID card is doing so for one reason...they know who commits fraud ahnd who benefits from fraud. Anything else is bull****. Back to square one.

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    The point is...to stop those almost non-existent cases of voter fraud...you'd make it so that millions of Americans will have problems voting. This is why those laws are being passed...

    Citizens with comparatively low incomes are less likely to possess documentation proving their citizenship. Citizens earning less than $25,000 per year are more than twice as likely to lack ready documentation of their citizenship as those earning more than $25,000.4 Indeed, the survey indicates that at least 12 percent of voting-age American citizens earning less than $25,000 per year do not have a readily available U.S. passport, naturalization document, or birth certificate

    Elderly citizens are less likely to possess government-issued photo identification. Survey results indicate that seniors disproportionately lack photo identification. Eighteen percent of American citizens age 65 and above do not have current government-issued photo ID.9 Using 2005 census estimates, this amounts to more than 6 million senior citizens.

    Minority citizens are less likely to possess government-issued photo identification. According to the survey, African-American citizens also disproportionately lack photo identification. Twenty-five percent of African-American voting-age citizens have no current government-issued photo ID, compared to eight percent of white voting-age citizens.10 Using 2000 census figures, this amounts to more than 5.5 million adult African-American citizens without photo identification. Our survey also indicated that sixteen percent of Hispanic voting-age citizens have no current government-issued photo ID, but due to a low sample size, the results did not achieve statistical significance

    http://www.brennancenter.org/page/-/...file_39242.pdf
    So I don't care if a homeless crackhead gets to vote or not, I wonder how many of those actually registered to vote? Funny how they leave that out. If you want to vote get an ID.

    So far still no reason. The being unconstitutional has already been beaten on every front, so saying people will be disfranchised will not cut it.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    I say yes. You need a photo ID to get a drivers license, board a plane, purchase alcohol....

    Why shouldn't you have to show your ID when making the most important decisions for our country?
    you need a photo id to get a driver's license? huh? no, a photo id should not be required. it's not necessary.

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    You are right, you said you don't care. That really is a huge leap to ignore.
    I don't care. I don't care about a lot of things, but I wouldn't argue that the government should ignore them.

    The Indiana Supreme Court said Wednesday that the photo ID requirement was not a "substantive voter qualification."It cited the U.S. Supreme Court's 2008 ruling in a federal court challenge by the state Democratic Party to the Indiana law that said a photo ID is required to enter federal buildings and board planes and voting was equally important."The voter ID law's requirement that an in-person voter present a government-issued photo identification card containing an expiration date is merely regulatory in nature," Dickson wrote. - Supreme Court Upholds Indiana Voter ID Law - Indiana News Story - WRTV Indianapolis

    It's clear that is not the states responsibly.
    It actually is the state's responsibility to ensure that people can use their rights. When a voter ID law is accompanied by a state making it difficult to get an ID, then there is a problem. I support it if they ensure people get IDs. If they don't, whatever.

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Thats right...I keep saying the same thing because it comes down to the same basic simple fact...anyone that opposes the simple act of showing an ID card is doing so for one reason...they know who commits fraud ahnd who benefits from fraud.
    But how do they benefit from fraud of only (less than) 86 people in 5 years commit it? LOL.

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    So I don't care if a homeless crackhead gets to vote or not, I wonder how many of those actually registered to vote? Funny how they leave that out. If you want to vote get an ID.

    So far still no reason. The being unconstitutional has already been beaten on every front, so saying people will be disfranchised will not cut it.
    Oh but they ARE Registered to vote...because the voter registration people are signing them up on the spot then voting for them.

    No reason whatsoever. No one freaks about the simple act of showing an ID card to buy cigarettes...but lord no...we cant have responsible citizens showing who they are before they go in and cast a legal lawful ballot that influences the government of the country. Its ALWAYS telling who shows up in the voter fraud arrests, who keeps popping up for illegally registering voters, and which party they always seem to be affiliated with. And shockingly...guess who it is that is always opposed to the simple act of verifying the legal right to vote.

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    So I don't care if a homeless crackhead gets to vote or not, I wonder how many of those actually registered to vote? Funny how they leave that out. If you want to vote get an ID.

    So far still no reason. The being unconstitutional has already been beaten on every front, so saying people will be disfranchised will not cut it.
    You haven't shown any reason why ID should be required. Most "fraud" issues are found out to be mistakes and less than 86 people in 5 years commit it. That's not a significant problem. New requirements that make it more difficult to vote should only be added when an actual problem is apparent. 86 people in 5 years (most of which were mistakes) is not an actual problem.

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