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  • Yes, term limits for Representatives

    32 48.48%
  • No, term limits for Representatives

    29 43.94%
  • Yes, term limits for Senators

    32 48.48%
  • No, term limits for Senators

    29 43.94%
  • Yes, term limits for Presidents

    47 71.21%
  • No, term limits for Presidents

    14 21.21%
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Thread: Do you support term limits

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    Re: Do you support term limits

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Okay, guys, both of you have made the quite amazing claim that the voters are somehow incapable of getting rid of a politician by simply voting him out of office. How can you make such a ridiculous claim? Explain it please. How are the voters going to the polls and voting for someone they don't want? Is it the work of an evil wizard? Or aliens with a special laser beam?
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    Re: Do you support term limits

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    But in all honesty, one amendment I think would be good would be one to give the People a way to remove SCOTUS justices. Every election cycle...or every 4....no more than 6; the Justices come up for a confidence vote. If 85% of Americans vote no confidence, then that justice is removed. The new justice will be appointed as normal. This keeps removal of justices out of the hands of Legislature and Executive, for the founders were wise is isolating them from the Judiciary. But it does leave them in the hands of The People. A supermajority, necessarily must be a supermajority. 85% could be argued to be too low, that it should be like 88-90.
    I agree but, I would need more time to analyze this matter
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    Re: Do you support term limits

    I voted YES because I am kind of on the fence about Term Limits.
    I like Term Limits because they permit politicians less time to carry out their abuses but, I see Term Limits masking the symptoms and not curing the disease. What about electoral accountability? What about the National Government dismantling the checks-and-balances system (like the 17th amendment)? What about the corrupt nature of politics?
    I could go on and on but, I think we need to finally cure the disease and if Term Limits make sense after, then we can keep them.
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    Re: Do you support term limits

    Quote Originally Posted by Keridan View Post
    I'm all for removing SCOTUS Justices. Lifetime appts are just insane. However, do you think it should be a confidence vote by the people or elected officials? I personally am unsure. I might just prefer to have them go through the confirmation process occasionally. I would also say they need some sort of final limit. Say no more than 20 years serving.
    I would be open to this. Just thinking out loud, but maybe 15 or 20 year terms, then reconfirmation, but not renomination by the then sitting President. I wouldn't go for a hard time limit, though.

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    Re: Do you support term limits

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
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    Some people seem to like term limits, feeling it keeps people from being "career" politicians, takes away the "incumbant advantage" from stiffling competition, lowers the amount of special interest, makes politicians focus on legislating not running for reelection, etc.

    On the flip side, some seem to dislike them as it limits the peoples choices, doesn't allow people to become well versed in effectively doing the job, amongst other reasons.

    What are your thoughts on term limits on the federal level and why we should / shouldn't have them.
    The only term limits I am for is for the President, and I am fine with the way it currently is - 10 years.

    I am against term limits for Representatives and Senators. Instead, I'd prefer age limits in which incumbents cannot be a candidate after their 62nd birthday.

    The reason why I am for term limits for the President is because that office holds so much political power and is being given more political power every day. Because of the amount of power the office has, term limits are required for it so one man and one political party does not act in a dictatorial manner.

    The reason why I am against term limits for Representatives and Senators is because it takes time for each of them to accrue a professionalism in that office. That is Congressmen need time to gain experience as a legislator in order to be able to effectively legislate. Having term limits will cause those Congressmen to rotate out before they get the ample experience needed to fully understand how the writing of legislation works.

    Look at your average bill from Congress. They tend to be hundreds of pages long. The reason isn't because Congress wants to make overly-complicated bills for their own benefit. Rather, the reason is to ensure as much as possible that no legal loopholes exist that could be exploited or abused. Which I think is a good thing since it means that Congress is not afraid to hash out particular details so that the laws they write become exactly the laws they wanted to write.

    Establishing term limits gets rid of the kind of professionalism needed to write laws for a nation as large and with as many valid special interests as the United States has.

    But we do need a mechanism for turnover. And I think that mechanism should be age limits. After all, all flag officers must retire 1 month after their 62nd birthday; this retirement must be deferred to his 64th birthday by the Secretary of Defense and it may be deferred to his 66th birthday by the President. The reason why is because the older someone gets the less they are able to keep up with the advances in technology and culture. Which means younger people need to be able to get into those positions of authority so they can use those advances in effective ways.

    So I think that Senate campaigns may not have anyone over the age of 60 on the ballot at the time of an election and that House campaigns may not have anyone over the age of 64 on the ballot at the time of an election. That means no one over the age of 66 will be in Congress.

    But what it also means is that these long-time incumbents have a hard limit on how long they can serve, which provides the benefits of term limits. But it also allows professional politicians time needed to accrue the experience necessary to be an effective legislator.
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    Re: Do you support term limits

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post

    But in all honesty, one amendment I think would be good would be one to give the People a way to remove SCOTUS justices. Every election cycle...or every 4....no more than 6; the Justices come up for a confidence vote. If 85% of Americans vote no confidence, then that justice is removed. The new justice will be appointed as normal. This keeps removal of justices out of the hands of Legislature and Executive, for the founders were wise is isolating them from the Judiciary. But it does leave them in the hands of The People. A supermajority, necessarily must be a supermajority. 85% could be argued to be too low, that it should be like 88-90.
    Are you saying that Justice must maintain 90% of the popular vote to stay in office? Or are you saying that a Justice may be recalled from his office with 90% of the popular vote?
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    Re: Do you support term limits

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Most voters pay more attention to dumb ass reality shows,sports, celeb bull **** news and other stuff than they pay attention to politics. This is why the same old scumbags keep getting elected.They will keep voting for the same scumbags as long as the idiot box tells to.
    While this is true, the thing is that term limits only improve things if we assume that the people replacing the corrupt idiots in office are less corrupt and less idiotic than the people they are replacing. I've seen no evidence that this is all that true.

    Personally, I don't think they're all that beneficial, nor do I think the idea is harmful. I think whether someone becomes corrupt after having held office for a long time depends on the person, not how long they've been in office. So a term limit might force out someone who has become corrupt and replace him with someone who isn't in some cases, while in others it will force out someone who hasn't become corrupt and replace him with someone who will. Their impact is neutral by my reckoning.

    Edit: The only term limit I really support is for the President. Not so much because of stupidity or corruption, but simply because I think the job is too draining for someone to be capable of doing it well for more than 2 terms.
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    Re: Do you support term limits

    Quote Originally Posted by Keridan View Post
    I'm all for removing SCOTUS Justices. Lifetime appts are just insane. However, do you think it should be a confidence vote by the people or elected officials? I personally am unsure. I might just prefer to have them go through the confirmation process occasionally. I would also say they need some sort of final limit. Say no more than 20 years serving.
    I think it needs to be by supermajority of the People, else it will degrade into standard politics and polarize the courts even more than they are now.
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    Re: Do you support term limits

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Are you saying that Justice must maintain 90% of the popular vote to stay in office? Or are you saying that a Justice may be recalled from his office with 90% of the popular vote?
    That they are recalled from office with the high percentage.
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    Re: Do you support term limits

    I don't know, I'm on the fence.

    When it comes to Congress, I think voter districting is a bigger source of the problem than indefinite reelection.
    Last edited by Cameron; 12-09-11 at 10:49 AM.
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