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    Re: Are you a Literal Constitutionalist?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    which is a non answer.
    It's always been odd what you call a nonanswer. The mere fact that people do infact interpret it differently should be enough to show you your error. It has nothing to do with having the text in font of you. So, I'm not really sure what you thought needed answering?



    given that they considered the militia to be "the whole people", i'm not sure you could argue that they were first looking to maintain a citizen army as an end in its' own right.

    however, even if they did, why does that rationale no longer apply?

    and it seems that if you feel that it does, the answer is obvious - get public support and amend the Constitution. then it will be your intent that we should hew to.
    Because we're nto going to call on citzens that way today. Any threat we likely face won't be here, and anything here would require more that your shot gun. So largely, the entire rationale no longer exists.

    And I don't beleive anythign changes without an amendment. And all I would like to see is some clarity for today. No major changes on how we function, but clarity that might help end some of the debate.

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    Re: Are you a Literal Constitutionalist?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    which, within a fairly narrow range, isn't terribly difficult. heck, for the main body of the text I can purchase the original intent for $3 on my kindle.



    no longer applies how?
    Wait, you are claiming that 3 people(probably), in expressing their opinions, spoke for every one? How about when they(probably Hamilton) opposed the bill of rights?
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    Re: Are you a Literal Constitutionalist?

    Yes.

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    Re: Are you a Literal Constitutionalist?

    I don't read it "literally" but I do support the absolute meaning of the Constitution. Meaning that the wording and interpretation should not change over time.
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    Re: Are you a Literal Constitutionalist?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I don't read it "literally" but I do support the absolute meaning of the Constitution. Meaning that the wording and interpretation should not change over time.
    I just don't think that is possible.

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    Re: Are you a Literal Constitutionalist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I just don't think that is possible.
    I think it's a legal document, and as such should not be altered at the whim of the reader's political opinions.
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    Re: Are you a Literal Constitutionalist?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I think it's a legal document, and as such should not be altered at the whim of the reader's political opinions.
    I never said at a whim. I just know how we view things changes over time, and our reality changes. The same word take on different meaning. So it is possible that it could change over time and everyone be trying to maintain the original intent.

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    Re: Are you a Literal Constitutionalist?

    The fact that many use various outside papers and writing is proof that the Constitution is not always clear, and sometimes needs interpretation. These outside papers and writings are merely helpful guidelines, and do not guarantee consensus.

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    Re: Are you a Literal Constitutionalist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I never said at a whim. I just know how we view things changes over time, and our reality changes. The same word take on different meaning. So it is possible that it could change over time and everyone be trying to maintain the original intent.
    I agree here. Some changes are required over time as the people change. Unfortunately congress etc have been doing end runs around the Constitution by loosely interpreting it even when they Know for a fact, that is not what the law intended.

    If the proper procedures were followed then I am all for the changes. End runs by "reinterpreting," not so much.
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    Re: Are you a Literal Constitutionalist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I never said at a whim. I just know how we view things changes over time, and our reality changes. The same word take on different meaning. So it is possible that it could change over time and everyone be trying to maintain the original intent.
    It is a binding legal document and as such does not change with time. What was written and ratified is absolute and just like any law, should not have it's legal status altered due to personal opinions/interpretations. Theft will be theft unless the legal process chooses to redefine it. If someone believes that stealing from a rich man is not "theft" they are still bound by the law and will be punished accordingly. The Constitution is our highest Law and should be treated as a legal document. I believe there are things that need to be interpreted from the Constitution, but the meaning itself should not change without going through the proper amendment process.
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