I know, I know, OWS has this great, thoughtful, coherent message, that is until a decent amount of people actually disagrees with them, then they're all individuals who actually have no common message at all. LOL
Anyway, my question has more to do with why you think it's a bad thing if OWS is perceived as being anti-capitalist.
I think the issue comes not from the possibility that some elements of OWS might have anti-capitalist tendencies (which is both true, and obvious, if you spend any time around them), but with the notion that all they're bringing to the table is stereotypically rabid and irrational anti-capitalism not backed up by any kind of coherent knowledge or thought.
OWS is pretty much a dead movement now, isn't it?
Haven't heard much lately.
I know, I know, OWS has this great, thoughtful, coherent message, that is until a decent amount of people actually disagrees with them, then they're all individuals who actually have no common message at all. LOL
Anyway, my question has more to do with why you think it's a bad thing if OWS is perceived as being anti-capitalist.
Some absolutely are against capitalism. Some aren't. My take would be that the movement as a whole isn't "anti-capitalism" but rather pro-regulation. I think its rather neutral about capitalism...IE its not really supporting it, its not really against it, its not its focus. Its more about regulation and wealth redistribution which is not incapatable with Capitalism in and of itself (if it was, then we aren't capitalistic in this country currently). There's likely individuals in there that have anti-capitalistic views, just like there are tea parties with heavily social views, but that doesn't mean that the movement itself as a whole represents that view.
And thank you for clarifying that the teabaggers are all racists :roll:
I have heard that the OWS is not against capitalism at all, though I have seen many OWS groups and signs that indicate they are indeed against capitalism. What is the truth? Are they against capitalism or not? I wuld reason that during their earlier days they came to protest against businesses and corporations, which are all a part of capitalism. What do you think about this? I see OWS members on YouTube chanting against the crimes of capitalism while holding their signs that reflect their belief.
1) The OWS is not a unified movement - rather, it is a movement of a wide variety of political beliefs that is protesting our current financial system and how it interacts with government.
2) While there are some OWSers that, indeed, are against capitalism I believe that the majority of OWSers are against unregulated capitalism and would much prefer more regulated capitalism.
Principles of Solidarity
What follows is a living document that will be revised
through democratic process of General Assembly
On September 17, 2011, people from all across the United States of America and the world came to protest the blatant injustices of our times perpetuated by the economic and political elites. On the 17th we as individuals rose up against political disenfranchisement and social and economic injustice. We spoke out, resisted, and successfully occupied Wall Street. Today, we proudly remain in Liberty Square constituting ourselves as autonomous political beings engaged in non-violent civil disobedience and building solidarity based on mutual respect, acceptance, and love. It is from these reclaimed grounds that we say to all Americans and to the world, Enough! How many crises does it take? We are the 99% and we have moved to reclaim our mortgaged future.Through a direct democratic process, we have come together as individuals and crafted these principles of solidarity, which are points of unity that include but are not limited to:
Engaging in direct and transparent participatory democracy;
Exercising personal and collective responsibility;
Recognizing individuals’ inherent privilege and the influence it has on all interactions;
Empowering one another against all forms of oppression;
Redefining how labor is valued;
The sanctity of individual privacy;
The belief that education is human right; and
Endeavoring to practice and support wide application of open source.
We are daring to imagine a new socio-political and economic alternative that offers greater possibility of equality. We are consolidating the other proposed principles of solidarity, after which demands will follow Principles of Solidarity | NYC General Assembly # Occupy Wall Street
OWS is not a unified movement? Well then why do they stand in solidarity with each other and are working on demands? Wouldnt demands require a certain amount of unity to come to a consensus to release demands? Speaking of consensus, each of the occupations has an General assembly. Each General assembly have whats they call spokes-councils (Spokes Council Proposal | NYC General Assembly # Occupy Wall Street). The point that I am making is that OWS is interlinked with all of the occupation and they work together under the principles of solidarity. ANd to remind you solidarity means : unity (as of a group or class) that produces or is based on community of interests, objectives, and standard.
So you are mistaken when you assert that the occupy movement is not unified in their actions and goals.
On your second point that OWS is not against Capitalism but only against unregulated Capitalism, since you were mistaken on your first point please provide something form the actual websites of the main occupations that states what you are claiming.
OWS is not a unified movement? Well then why do they stand in solidarity with each other and are working on demands? Wouldnt demands require a certain amount of unity to come to a consensus to release demands?.....
OWS is not a unified movement? Well then why do they stand in solidarity with each other and are working on demands? Wouldnt demands require a certain amount of unity to come to a consensus to release demands? Speaking of consensus, each of the occupations has an General assembly. Each General assembly have whats they call spokes-councils (Spokes Council Proposal | NYC General Assembly # Occupy Wall Street). The point that I am making is that OWS is interlinked with all of the occupation and they work together under the principles of solidarity. ANd to remind you solidarity means : unity (as of a group or class) that produces or is based on community of interests, objectives, and standard.
So you are mistaken when you assert that the occupy movement is not unified in their actions and goals.
On your second point that OWS is not against Capitalism but only against unregulated Capitalism, since you were mistaken on your first point please provide something form the actual websites of the main occupations that states what you are claiming.
there must be at least 20 OWS groups in the USA alone. what evidence do you have that they are coordinating on an agenda and demands?
If they were already "unified," there wouldn't be a need for debating "What our demands are," now would there?
Did you read this? Principles of Solidarity | NYC General Assembly # Occupy Wall Street You do understand what solidarity means right?
Are those tow parties working in solidarity as OWS asserts that everyone in the movement is?The Democratic Party and the Republican Party work together to pass legislation and serve in the executive branches at all levels of government.
The Democratic Party and the Republican Party are hardly unified together.
Did you read this? Principles of Solidarity | NYC General Assembly # Occupy Wall Street You do understand what solidarity means right?
The NYCGA are the fathers of the movement shouldnt their opinions matter I mean there would not be an OWS if it were not for them.the OWS group in NYC is merely one of maybe 20+ groups in the USA.
OWS NYC does NOT speak for the OWS movement.
Are those tow parties working in solidarity as OWS asserts that everyone in the movement is?
Then why does every Occupation website link to NYCGA?Yeah...that's just the dudes in New York.
Then why does every Occupation website link to NYCGA?
That are in solidarity in regards to their protests against the financial institutions and the government.
Which doesn't mean they are in solidarity in regards to the change needed for financial institutions and the government.
Now you have moved the point to a solution?1) The OWS is not a unified movement - rather, it is a movement of a wide variety of political beliefs that is protesting our current financial system and how it interacts with government
Now you have moved the point to a solution?
This is rather ironic twist of assertions. The protesters themselves claim to be unified as the 99% and assert that they are a focused movement.....