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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Exactly. If every person in OWS is just involved for their own ideology, or whatever, and there is no unified message at all, why should anyone really give a **** what their "demands" or "grievances" are?
    Because the first step in recovery is admitting there's a problem.
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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    Neither do the politicians you probably vote for, but that's neither here nor there.
    I know some libs like to believe they know what's better for me than I do, but, if you don't mind, I'll decide if the politicians I support speak for me or not.

    Do you have anything substantive to add about my last response to you?
    I'm still waiting for you to answer my question. I'm asking why you don't want OWS to be seen as being anti-capitalism and, so far, all you've told me is that that they all don't think the same. Fine. I got that, but how does it answer what I've been asking?

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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I'm still waiting for you to answer my question. I'm asking why you don't want OWS to be seen as being anti-capitalism and, so far, all you've told me is that that they all don't think the same. Fine. I got that, but how does it answer what I've been asking?
    Um... Isn't it obvious at this point, given your understanding that they have diverse opinions? If the movement is seen as anti-capitalist when that's only a subset of what they're doing (i.e. when only a subset of the movement actually is anti-capitalist), you're ignoring large chunks of what they're interested in discussing. That's a bad thing. It tends to propagate bull**** narratives.

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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Because the first step in recovery is admitting there's a problem.
    Well, the problems that I see are not the same as what OWS protests against. I guess the difference is, I don't resent someone else's financial success and I don't feel entitled to part of it.

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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Well, the problems that I see are not the same as what OWS protests against. I guess the difference is, I don't resent someone else's financial success and I don't feel entitled to part of it.
    Neither do they (for the most part). This is exactly what I'm getting at. You're writing a false narrative in your head and ascribing it to the entire movement. That's neither rational nor particularly useful.

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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Who said this:

    I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. Corporations have been enthroned, an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people, until the wealth of the nation is aggregated in a few hands, and the Republic is destroyed.

    Once the author is determined it should be realized that the motivations and goals of OWS have been a LONG time in coming.

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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Well, the problems that I see are not the same as what OWS protests against. I guess the difference is, I don't resent someone else's financial success and I don't feel entitled to part of it.
    Okay. That's your right to feel that way.

    And the advocates of various political philosophies see a widening gap in wealth in the United States and are seeing more influence over the government by economic elites and while they may not agree what to do as a solution to those problems those advocates agree that those are problems endangering our nation.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    Neither do they (for the most part). This is exactly what I'm getting at. You're writing a false narrative in your head and ascribing it to the entire movement. That's neither rational nor particularly useful.
    What's also not particularly useful is a complete lack of recognition or concern that OWS just might be, at least in part, responsible for how they're perceived.

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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    Who said this:

    I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. Corporations have been enthroned, an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people, until the wealth of the nation is aggregated in a few hands, and the Republic is destroyed.

    Once the author is determined it should be realized that the motivations and goals of OWS have been a LONG time in coming.
    Yeah, I agree, Lincoln did have a great point.

    But I also like something Kennedy had to say.

    Those who make peaceful revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    What's also not particularly useful is a complete lack of recognition or concern that OWS just might be, at least in part, responsible for how they're perceived.
    Dude. Take some personal responsibility. You and I have access to largely the same set of info about OWS and have managed to reach significantly different conclusions (to be fair, I probably have access to slightly better info, given where I live and who I know, but still). So yeah, of course they're somewhat responsible for how they're perceived, but you're responsible for doing your own research, and you definitely should take responsibility for your own conclusions.

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