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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Adbusters didn't do those first two things either. And buying a domain name and making bogus claims proves nothing except that they know there are wingnuts stupid enough to beleive them.
    WTH are you talking about?



    So after asking who Lasn was, now you "suddenly" know who he is?

    Busted much?
    Ok what exactly are you accusing me of here? Let me in on it it seems entertaining.



    Umm, I guess you don't realize that all those "plans" were the exact same things protesters have been doing since the 60's:

    "asymmetrical warfare strategies", "marked escalation of surprise, playful, precision disruptions", "bank occupations", "edgy theatrics", "signs, meetings, camps, marches", "erected a small stage and began giving amplified speeches", “horizontal” organizing methods, "general assemblies and participants make decisions by consensus and give continuous feedback through hand gestures" were, AS YOUR OWN QUOTE STATES



    And you think that means that Lasn invented them? ic conversation.
    Invented? WTH are you making up now? When did I say that Lasn invented something? Are you sure you have a clue what you are going on about? I mean I dont really know what you are trying to claim here.

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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    I have heard that the OWS is not against capitalism at all, though I have seen many OWS groups and signs that indicate they are indeed against capitalism. What is the truth? Are they against capitalism or not? I wuld reason that during their earlier days they came to protest against businesses and corporations, which are all a part of capitalism. What do you think about this? I see OWS members on YouTube chanting against the crimes of capitalism while holding their signs that reflect their belief.
    I can’t speak for all the OWS protesters but I do know most of the active ones from my university and every one of them is an anti-capitalist.

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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    I can’t speak for all the OWS protesters but I do know most of the active ones from my university and every one of them is an anti-capitalist.
    And of these, how many can think for themselves, and then speak for themselves ?
    Believe me, its much easier to "go with the flow" rather than duel windmills, or buck the tide of human opinion...
    IMO, capitalism works, but must be regulated in a way that benefits society. And this is the tricky thing to do.
    Right now, obviously, the playing field is tilted to favor the wealthy.
    OWS sees this and is rightfully protesting, to which , I applaud them.
    IMO, this whole protest thing would be un-necessary if those powers that are would just leave their sanctuary of their ivory towers and listen to the people.

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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    WTH are you talking about?



    Ok what exactly are you accusing me of here? Let me in on it it seems entertaining.



    Invented? WTH are you making up now? When did I say that Lasn invented something? Are you sure you have a clue what you are going on about? I mean I dont really know what you are trying to claim here.
    I see you've returned to disingenous - a sure sign you've run out of arguments
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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I see you've returned to disingenous - a sure sign you've run out of arguments
    Why should I argue with you? You misrepresent my position and have become irrelevant since you did not make any sense. I asked you questions so that you could clarify WTH you are talking about, you ignored those questions and through out an insult instead.

    You have made it clear that you do not intend to have a civil conversation several posts a go. Didnt you notice that you killed the discussion?

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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Right now, obviously, the playing field is tilted to favor the wealthy.
    OWS sees this and is rightfully protesting, to which , I applaud them.
    IMO, this whole protest thing would be un-necessary if those powers that are would just leave their sanctuary of their ivory towers and listen to the people.
    You've hit the proverbial nail on the head. It was the same with the Civil Rights Movement and the Anti-War Movement back in the 60's. It took mass protest to bring about change.
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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Why should I argue with you? You misrepresent my position and have become irrelevant since you did not make any sense. I asked you questions so that you could clarify WTH you are talking about, you ignored those questions and through out an insult instead.

    You have made it clear that you do not intend to have a civil conversation several posts a go. Didnt you notice that you killed the discussion?
    You post questions because you have no proof.

    And you killed the discussion with accusations because you're too lazy to prove your claim
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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    You post questions because you have no proof.

    And you killed the discussion with accusations because you're too lazy to prove your claim
    No I do not have proof of whatever misconstrued thing it is that you are trying to say that I am saying. You cannot just assume that I am taking the position that you assigned to me like its reality or some ****. Then expect me to follow your lead and jump through your hoops. The world does not work that way nor do debates.

    Heres the reality, you and Catawba are an minority in OWS, most everyone else in the occupy movement are anti-Capitalists. Site after site protester after protester asserts that Capitalism is the problem yet you two believe differently, one must wonder why you two are asserting something that anybody can see is not reality. I have no idea what it is that you think you are gaining but everyone else already believes OWS is anti-Capitalist and here is why: Wall Street is populated by Capitalists and no one else. The 1% that OWS is obviously asserting are the ones that must go are Capitalists. Some are not saying that Capitalism must stop, but they are all saying that the 1% must be punished. It is a tactic that attacks the root of Capitalism, and they engineered it so that people like you would think that Capitalism was not the target. That is why you are an useful idiot, because you dont get it.

    I showed you many times how OWS is not organic and the fact that OWS is dead right now shows without doubt just how inorganic it was. Just wait until the occupiers alienate the Democrats at the primaries after that idiotic move the occupy movement will be completely dead show over.
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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    No I do not have proof of whatever misconstrued thing it is that you are trying to say that I am saying. You cannot just assume that I am taking the position that you assigned to me like its reality or some ****. Then expect me to follow your lead and jump through your hoops. The world does not work that way nor do debates.

    Heres the reality, you and Catawba are an minority in OWS, most everyone else in the occupy movement are anti-Capitalists. Site after site protester after protester asserts that Capitalism is the problem yet you two believe differently, one must wonder why you two are asserting something that anybody can see is not reality. I have no idea what it is that you think you are gaining but everyone else already believes OWS is anti-Capitalist and here is why: Wall Street is populated by Capitalists and no one else. The 1% that OWS is obviously asserting are the ones that must go are Capitalists. Some are not saying that Capitalism must stop, but they are all saying that the 1% must be punished. It is a tactic that attacks the root of Capitalism, and they engineered it so that people like you would think that Capitalism was not the target. That is why you are an useful idiot, because you dont get it.

    I showed you many times how OWS is not organic and the fact that OWS is dead right now shows without doubt just how inorganic it was. Just wait until the occupiers alienate the Democrats at the primaries after that idiotic move the occupy movement will be completely dead show over.
    You showed how "inorganic" it was by claiming that Lasn controlled the movement while quoting articles that said the tactics date back to the 60's and earlier :
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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    You showed how "inorganic" it was by claiming that Lasn controlled the movement while quoting articles that said the tactics date back to the 60's and earlier :
    “We aren’t against capitalism, we’re against corporate greed.” Is this what you are selling? Yes I know I have read you saying just that. You might want to read these..

    Occupy Wall Street: Yes, we are anti-capitalist! | thevillager.com

    Capitalism fading in the evolutionary revolution - Occupy Wall Street - Salon.com

    "People before profits"

    "We are the 99%"

    "No War but Class War"

    "We refuse to be evicted"

    "Land of the Fee, Home of the Slave"

    "Stop the War on Workers"

    "We are the revolution"

    "Rise up"

    "Change Society"

    Yep very 60's Leftist Socialist whatever you want to call it.

    OWS is asking. Whether Democray...Whether Capitalism. | MyFDL I couldn’t agree more. If the Occupy movement seeks to be inclusive, labels, including but not limited to “socialism”, are a dangerous business. I have, however, noticed frequent references to “cooperatives” and worker-run businesses.
    Check out some of these statements (excerpted) that were included in the “First OFFICIAL Release from OWS”. I would call them totally consistent with socialism whether the label is used or not.
    1. corporations do not seek consent to extract wealth from the people
    2. no true democracy is attainable when the process is determined by economic power
    3. corporations, which place profit over people, self-interest over justice, and oppression over equality, run our governments
    4. they undermined the farming system through monopolization
    5. They have continuously sought to strip employees of the right to negotiate for better pay and safer working conditions
    6. They have consistently outsourced labor and used that outsourcing as leverage to cut workers’ healthcare and pay
    7. They continue to block generic forms of medicine that could save people’s lives in order to protect investments that have already turned a substantive profit
    8. They have purposely covered up oil spills, accidents, faulty bookkeeping, and inactive ingredients in pursuit of profit
    9. They have perpetuated colonialism at home and abroad
    10. They continue to create weapons of mass destruction in order to receive government contracts
    What’s the bottom line here? People before profits. It’s not the label that matters; it’s the values we’re fighting for.

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