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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post

    It's the classic, eternal struggle between makers (those who actually support themselves, creating wealth through honest work) and takers (those who, rather than being willing to do any honest work and create any wealth of their own, simply want “excess” wealth taken from the makers and given to themselves).
    That's true enough. The irony here is that you're on the side of the takers (even though you're not one of them), and you don't even know it.

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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    There are many people who oppose capitalism, so I'm curious why people who support OWS seem defensive if OWS is perceived as being anti-capitalism.

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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    There are many people who oppose capitalism, so I'm curious why people who support OWS seem defensive if OWS is perceived as being anti-capitalism.
    The are many teabaggers who are racist, so I'm curious why people who support the Tea Party seem defensive if the Tea Party is perceived as being racist
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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    There are many people who oppose capitalism, so I'm curious why people who support OWS seem defensive if OWS is perceived as being anti-capitalism.
    I think the issue comes not from the possibility that some elements of OWS might have anti-capitalist tendencies (which is both true, and obvious, if you spend any time around them), but with the notion that all they're bringing to the table is stereotypically rabid and irrational anti-capitalism not backed up by any kind of coherent knowledge or thought.

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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    The are many teabaggers who are racist, so I'm curious why people who support the Tea Party seem defensive if the Tea Party is perceived as being racist
    Even though I strongly disagree with it, I thought being anti-capitalism was a legit political stance. Thanks for clarifying that it's actually just as bad as racism.
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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    I think the issue comes not from the possibility that some elements of OWS might have anti-capitalist tendencies (which is both true, and obvious, if you spend any time around them), but with the notion that all they're bringing to the table is stereotypically rabid and irrational anti-capitalism not backed up by any kind of coherent knowledge or thought.
    No matter how coherent or thoughtful they are (you must be seeing something I'm not) about it, if they want to replace capitalism with something else you and others might think is a better idea, the result is the same - they're anti-capitalism.

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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    No matter how coherent or thoughtful they are (you must be seeing something I'm not) about it, if they want to replace capitalism with something else you and others might think is a better idea, the result is the same - they're anti-capitalism.
    As I've said multiple times in this thread (including in the post to which you're responding) some of them are anti-capitalism. Most of them are not. Most of them are upset by a regulatory scheme that seems to increasingly benefit the very wealthy in ways that are, in fact, very much anti-free market, and by the fact that our political system seems bound to perpetuating such problems. Some of them are more interested in the fact that they've been lead their whole lives to believe that if they work hard and apply themselves, they'll be able to thrive in the US, but have now discovered that for quite a lot of people, that's just not true anymore; and that there are bad, systemic reasons why this is the case.

    You're making the mistake of assuming that they all think alike. They don't.

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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Even though I strongly disagree with it, I thought being anti-capitalism was a legit political stance. Thanks for clarifying that it's actually just as bad as racism.
    And thank you for clarifying that the teabaggers are all racists
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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    No matter how coherent or thoughtful they are (you must be seeing something I'm not) about it, if they want to replace capitalism with something else you and others might think is a better idea, the result is the same - they're anti-capitalism.
    umm, Aderleths remark about "coherent knowledge or thought" was not about the OWS.

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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    As I've said multiple times in this thread (including in the post to which you're responding) some of them are anti-capitalism. Most of them are not. Most of them are upset by a regulatory scheme that seems to increasingly benefit the very wealthy in ways that are, in fact, very much anti-free market, and by the fact that our political system seems bound to perpetuating such problems. Some of them are more interested in the fact that they've been lead their whole lives to believe that if they work hard and apply themselves, they'll be able to thrive in the US, but have now discovered that for quite a lot of people, that's just not true anymore; and that there are bad, systemic reasons why this is the case.

    You're making the mistake of assuming that they all think alike. They don't.
    I know, I know, OWS has this great, thoughtful, coherent message, that is until a decent amount of people actually disagrees with them, then they're all individuals who actually have no common message at all. LOL

    Anyway, my question has more to do with why you think it's a bad thing if OWS is perceived as being anti-capitalist.

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