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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    I agree with your points on Glass-Steagall.

    As to your tax quote, you left out the previous statement that clarifies the one you posted 'Letting all of the cuts expire at the end of 2012 would save $3.8 trillion over the next decade.' The $700b in the article was over 10 YEARS. BHO's unpassed budget proposal forecasted the national debt to be approximately $25t in 2021. Considering that is an increase of $10t in 10 years by averaging the $70b in tax cuts to the rich will do very little to the $1t average deficit. Make sense? Also note that if ALL the BTC's were expired it would result in ONLY $3.8t in increased revenue which will again do very little against the $10t forecasted debt increase.

    I will leave the compelling reason supporting outsourcing for another but Camlon is spot on about companies just moving operations overseas if 'beat up' too much and there is NO legislation that can/will prevent it. Heck the 'big oil' subsidies, you know the ones that Dems are against, are merely tax deductions that promote domestic activites by companies (like as in 'preventing outsourcing') IN VARIOUS INDUSTRIES not just oil...Research section 199 of the tax code (passed by GOP/GB in '05).

    Why do you suppose the GOP is blocking HR 1489 to once again establish a firewall between investment banking and commercial banking?

    After we have recovered from the Bush Recession, we will have to let the Bush tax cuts expire for everyone. And we need to look at adding back some of the progressiveness that has been cut from our tax rates to prevent the concentration of wealth at the top that is killing our consumer based economy and the middle class.

    Companies already are moving operations overseas, and we give them tax breaks for doing so. Why?
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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Uhhhhh
    Let me guess, you want evidence.

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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    The same could be said about you.... You wont even try to explain. This is all you have been saying the past times i have called out for evidence and each time i receive none.
    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Uhhhhh

    If you go back in read i have asked for evidence that proves that this man is a "radical" who has bad ties or whatever and is manipulating the OWS movement. I have received none. Just been called lazy.
    Dude, evidence has been handed to you on a plate...yet you seem to be unable to take a bite.

    In this thread:

    FreedomFromAll ask for information...I gave him a starting point.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1060021054


    Oh, my...YOU came in on the discussion and I responded with FOUR...count them...4...links.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1060022833


    There's more in this thread, but I think it's pretty clear that you have a problem. I'm not sure what it is...whether you are trolling, whether you have a retention issue or if you are a drive-by poster. In any case, spare me your whining about not being provided with information.

    Now...you have a choice: Do some research...or don't. But I, also, have a choice: Play your stupid little games...or don't. I chose: don't.
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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    One can never research enough. It is interesting that an interview with Kalle Lasn on 10/12/2011 produced an outline of what Catawba and TheDemSocialist are asserting. Read the entire interview notice how Kalle Lasn seems to believe that he is in control.
    Occupy Wall Street: An interview with Kalle Lasn, the man behind it all - BlogPost - The Washington Post Q. How do you think such a global revolution would play out?


    Protesters listen to a speech at the "Occupy Wall Street" protest in Washington. (Linda Davidson - THE WASHINGTON POST) A. The initial phase of the revolution, what we are seeing right now, is leaderless, and the protesters are not hopping into bed with any party, even the Democratic party. Everyone is trying to second-guess what they’re after. But nonetheless, they’ve launched a national conversation. As the winter approaches, I think there will be different phases and ideas, possibly fragmentation into different agendas. I think crystal-clear demands will emanate.

    Q. What kind of demands?

    A. I think people want a Robin Hood tax on all trades, they want to bring back the Glass-Steagall Act, to ban high-frequency flash trading, implement banking reform, clean up corruption in Washington, and down the road, a third party may spring up.

    Q. Why do you think a third party is possible at this moment in history?

    A. We [the left] haven’t really had our act together. The tea party has had all the fun. This is about the political left having some fun. The political left wants a fundamental change in our political system and economy, in the way we drink and eat and buy things and get around. This movement can bear a lot of fruits, and I think a third party is one of them.
    Also the story goes that OWS was so successful in New York that is spread to other cities. Well that is a bold face lie. In reality the plan all along was to start protests in multiple cities at the same time. These protests are far from organic. They are well organized and were planned well in advance by anti-globalization activists not just adbusters alone. More on who those people are latter when I get them itemized in proper order.

    Here is a article from 9/15/11 showing that it was planned ahead of time that multiple cities would have protests. The propaganda that asserts that OWS was successful and grew organically is a lie. And the useful idiots fell for it, no surprise there.

    U.S. Day of Rage planned for Saturday — an Arab Spring in America? - BlogPost - The Washington Post It’s unclear how successful Saturday’s protest might be, but the movement has already gotten some backing. Rapper Lupe Fiasco has donated tents for the day, and written a sort of poem called “Moneyman” to inspire protesters. On Twitter, supporters rallied around the hashtags #usdor, #sept17, and #occupywallstreet. The plan to “occupy” Wall Street has already spread to plans for protests in Los Angeles, Austin, Portland, Ore., and other cities.
    BTW TheDemSocialist you should read this link: David Graeber: On Playing By The Rules

    It is the information that you requested about the OWS anarchists that control the General Assemblies.

    And it should be noted that occupywallstreet.org is owned by Kalle Lasn
    OccupyWallStreet.org - Occupy Wall Street Domain ID162486232-LROR
    Domain Name:OCCUPYWALLSTREET.ORG
    Created On:09-Jun-2011 18:25:48 UTC
    Last Updated On:09-Aug-2011 03:50:12 UTC
    Expiration Date:09-Jun-2012 18:25:48 UTC
    Sponsoring Registrar:GoDaddy.com, Inc. (R91-LROR)
    Status:CLIENT DELETE PROHIBITED
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    Status:CLIENT TRANSFER PROHIBITED
    Status:CLIENT UPDATE PROHIBITED
    Registrant ID:CR85243141
    Registrant Name:Kalle Lasn
    Registrant Street1:1243 7th West
    Registrant Street2:
    Registrant Street3:
    Registrant City:Vancouver
    Registrant State/Province:British Columbia
    Registrant Postal Code:V6H 1B7
    Registrant Country:CA
    Registrant Phone:+1.6047369401
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    Now isnt that just a bit too much proof just how much Kalle Lasn is manipulating all of you useful idiots?
    Last edited by FreedomFromAll; 12-21-11 at 09:17 AM.

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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Let me guess, you want evidence.
    Yes because when someone makes a claim, saying that this guy is manipulating the OWS movement and is some sort of evil anti american radical i would like proof. You know evidence. Facts.
    Sorry that i just dont go on hearsay or word of mouth.


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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Dude, evidence has been handed to you on a plate...yet you seem to be unable to take a bite.

    In this thread:

    FreedomFromAll ask for information...I gave him a starting point.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1060021054


    Oh, my...YOU came in on the discussion and I responded with FOUR...count them...4...links.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1060022833


    There's more in this thread, but I think it's pretty clear that you have a problem. I'm not sure what it is...whether you are trolling, whether you have a retention issue or if you are a drive-by poster. In any case, spare me your whining about not being provided with information.

    Now...you have a choice: Do some research...or don't. But I, also, have a choice: Play your stupid little games...or don't. I chose: don't.
    How does this prove any of your points?
    This just proves that he sent out some emails, wrote a book about corporate influence in the US, and started a hashtag which i did state.


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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    One can never research enough. It is interesting that an interview with Kalle Lasn on 10/12/2011 produced an outline of what Catawba and TheDemSocialist are asserting. Read the entire interview notice how Kalle Lasn seems to believe that he is in control.
    You said he claimed to be in control? He claimed that it was a LEADERLESS movement.

    Also the story goes that OWS was so successful in New York that is spread to other cities. Well that is a bold face lie. In reality the plan all along was to start protests in multiple cities at the same time. These protests are far from organic. They are well organized and were planned well in advance by anti-globalization activists not just adbusters alone. More on who those people are latter when I get them itemized in proper order.
    Hahaha it was never a lie that occupy LA and other started as soon as OWS... That was always the full story...
    And no duh they were probably organized by anti globalization and people that want corporate influence out..

    Here is a article from 9/15/11 showing that it was planned ahead of time that multiple cities would have protests. The propaganda that asserts that OWS was successful and grew organically is a lie. And the useful idiots fell for it, no surprise there.
    It didnt grow organically? People are being forced to go?



    BTW TheDemSocialist you should read this link: David Graeber: On Playing By The Rules

    It is the information that you requested about the OWS anarchists that control the General Assemblies.
    So sense someone met a greek anarchist at school that makes the General Assemblies all anarchist ran?


    And it should be noted that occupywallstreet.org is owned by Kalle Lasn Now isnt that just a bit too much proof just how much Kalle Lasn is manipulating all of you useful idiots?
    So let me get this straight from all this "proof".
    2 guys who run adbusters called for a movement such as this to protest corporate greed. They then made a hash-tag #occupywallstreet. Now this is where it gets really scary! They own the domain name occupywallstreet.org. OH MY GOD! They then did an interview and said it was leaderless movement.......
    Seems like they got us all brainwashed and manipulating the hell out of us!


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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Why do you suppose the GOP is blocking HR 1489 to once again establish a firewall between investment banking and commercial banking?
    I have no idea but it is idiotic. I can only suppose that the GOP thinks ‘because the Dems want it we are against it’…

    After we have recovered from the Bush Recession, we will have to let the Bush tax cuts expire for everyone. And we need to look at adding back some of the progressiveness that has been cut from our tax rates to prevent the concentration of wealth at the top that is killing our consumer based economy and the middle class.
    After the recovery AND AFTER WE ADDRESS THE SPENDING I would agree. Spending at +/-25% of GDP is unsustainable.

    Companies already are moving operations overseas, and we give them tax breaks for doing so. Why?
    What SPECIFIC tax breaks do they get for going overseas? The section 199 reference I gave you earlier promotes DOMESTIC activities.

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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    It's hilarious that the two of you are claiming that if we don't keep rewarding outsourcing, corps will outsource MORE
    Ambigious...How did what I posted support your claim? How does IRS section 199 reward outsourcing?

    Personally I am against ANY government intervention related to outsourcing. Let the market settle it.

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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Dude, evidence has been handed to you on a plate...yet you seem to be unable to take a bite.

    In this thread:

    FreedomFromAll ask for information...I gave him a starting point.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1060021054


    Oh, my...YOU came in on the discussion and I responded with FOUR...count them...4...links.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1060022833


    There's more in this thread, but I think it's pretty clear that you have a problem. I'm not sure what it is...whether you are trolling, whether you have a retention issue or if you are a drive-by poster. In any case, spare me your whining about not being provided with information.

    Now...you have a choice: Do some research...or don't. But I, also, have a choice: Play your stupid little games...or don't. I chose: don't.
    All you['ve shown is that they have been involved in the movement. You've shown nothing that supports your contention that they are controlling or manipulating the movement
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