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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    Use your brain. You are thinking in this pattern. Do I like outsourcing. No. What is the solution, punish the ones who outsource.

    But you need to think about the unintended consequences. Just because something sounds good, doesn not mean it actually will work. For instance if you start punishing companies who outsource, they may just leave the US and set up a base in another country. That is much worse. It could also cause insecurity for what the US would do next, and the ones who stay may invest less.
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    I will leave the compelling reason supporting outsourcing for another but Camlon is spot on about companies just moving operations overseas if 'beat up' too much and there is NO legislation that can/will prevent it. Heck the 'big oil' subsidies, you know the ones that Dems are against, are merely tax deductions that promote domestic activites by companies (like as in 'preventing outsourcing') IN VARIOUS INDUSTRIES not just oil...Research section 199 of the tax code (passed by GOP/GB in '05).
    It's hilarious that the two of you are claiming that if we don't keep rewarding outsourcing, corps will outsource MORE
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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    I am not getting in the middle of the male roll model thing but,
    Whats a "male roll model thing"?

    do you recognize that some people are manipulated by other people?
    Yes

    Some people will lie to get other people to do something for them.
    Yes

    Skinheads are a perfect example IMO of useful idiots. Skinheads at least the ones that I have known, do anything in the name of Nazism. Some of the higher ranking skinheads know that they are useful idiots but they believe that they can work their way beyond that reality by being good Nazi's. But the rest of the skinheads are just in it for the parties and the music. They dont really care much about anything else. Sure theyll talk the talk and join in on some skinhead stupidity, but ask them a question about Nazism and they just repeat some racist **** and act cool.
    Ok

    Does any of that sound familiar?
    Yea for any political movement

    How many protesters know exactly who the people are that invented OWS?
    Who invented it?
    Some guy who runs a magazine called adbusters created a hastag in july #occupwallstreet. Thats all they did... Now they are manipulating people? By creating a hashtag for twitter. Thats all they did and they somehow are manipulating the people? Wow wow

    OWS was not romantically started by the people, it was started by the suggestion of a group of people.
    By a hashtag on twitter....

    There is nothing natural about how OWS was started or maintained to this very day, it has all been kept going by a very small amount of people. And those people are what the rest of the occupy movement call the radicals. Those same minority that the useful idiots claim are a small voice in the movement. Indeed.
    Branding anything requires more than a hashtag, a poster, and a few blog posts..
    So how are they controlling people? How are the manipulating people? Because he called for an occupy movement in July? By calling for a movement in July and starting the hashtag he is manipulating people?
    Manipulating someone and leading a movement is more than calling for a movement in the summer.


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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Whats a "male roll model thing"?
    Can you not read?


    Yea for any political movement
    Yes and OWS is no different, which has been my point. OWS is not above being corrupted itself. Especially when being ran by radicals. You cannot deny that the Anarchists that run OWS are radicals. I mean they seriously believe that their little General Assembly experiment is how the country will be ran, not only in the future they believe that they are the new government. Not only is that a radical movement but delusional.

    Who invented it?
    Some guy who runs a magazine called adbusters created a hastag in july #occupwallstreet. Thats all they did... Now they are manipulating people? By creating a hashtag for twitter. Thats all they did and they somehow are manipulating the people? Wow wow


    By a hashtag on twitter....


    Branding anything requires more than a hashtag, a poster, and a few blog posts..
    So how are they controlling people? How are the manipulating people? Because he called for an occupy movement in July? By calling for a movement in July and starting the hashtag he is manipulating people?
    Manipulating someone and leading a movement is more than calling for a movement in the summer.
    You are getting confused between what I have actually said and what Mycroft has asserted.

    Personally I do not think that Adbusters is really anything more than another useful idiot. So dont be so smug in your lordy laugh fest.
    Last edited by FreedomFromAll; 12-21-11 at 01:31 AM.

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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Whats a "male roll model thing"?


    Yes


    Yes


    Ok


    Yea for any political movement


    Who invented it?
    Some guy who runs a magazine called adbusters created a hastag in july #occupwallstreet. Thats all they did... Now they are manipulating people? By creating a hashtag for twitter. Thats all they did and they somehow are manipulating the people? Wow wow


    By a hashtag on twitter....


    Branding anything requires more than a hashtag, a poster, and a few blog posts..
    So how are they controlling people? How are the manipulating people? Because he called for an occupy movement in July? By calling for a movement in July and starting the hashtag he is manipulating people?
    Manipulating someone and leading a movement is more than calling for a movement in the summer.
    Is this all you could find out about Lasn, White and their connection to OWS? A hashtag?

    Dude, this is the Internet Age. The information is out there. Heck, I provided more in-depth info in this thread alone...than a hashtag.
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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Can you not read?
    How am i in the middle of a "male roll model"?


    Yes and OWS is no different, which has been my point. OWS is not above being corrupted itself. Especially when being ran by radicals.You cannot deny that the Anarchists that run OWS are radicals.
    Anarchists are running OWS?
    Do you have proof of this? Did you go to the spoke people of the general assemblies all over the country and ask them what ideology the specify with? Do you have any proof of this that Anarchist run OWS?

    I mean they seriously believe that their little General Assembly experiment is how the country will be ran, not only in the future they believe that they are the new government. Not only is that a radical movement but delusional.
    They do?


    You are getting confused between what I have actually said and what Mycroft has asserted.

    Personally I do not think that Adbusters is really anything more than another useful idiot. So dont be so smug in your lordy laugh fest.
    So who are ummm manipulating them then?


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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Is this all you could find out about Lasn, White and their connection to OWS? A hashtag?

    Dude, this is the Internet Age. The information is out there. Heck, I provided more in-depth info in this thread alone...than a hashtag.
    Thats all there is! Tell me! I mean you claim "oh thats all you can find"... Come one explain to me...


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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Thats all there is! Tell me! I mean you claim "oh thats all you can find"... Come one explain to me...
    Dude, you are either incredibly lazy, incredibly forgetful...or you are pulling my leg.
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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Dude, you are either incredibly lazy, incredibly forgetful...or you are pulling my leg.
    The same could be said about you.... You wont even try to explain. This is all you have been saying the past times i have called out for evidence and each time i receive none.


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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    I get so bored by people repeatedly crying "you didn't show me any evidence". It's a worst type of debating (really, spam). One could quote dozens of solid sources and the cry would remain the same. They are never going to accept any source contradicting their worldview (deal with it), but they think by spamming it others will see "the truth". This way, they rarely need to state their own position (which is likely ridiculous on its face) and they can spend all their time attacking/spamming. I think they watch too many court-room TV shows and imagine a hapless jury who's paying attention to the 'defense'.

    Meh
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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I get so bored by people repeatedly crying "you didn't show me any evidence". It's a worst type of debating (really, spam). One could quote dozens of solid sources and the cry would remain the same. They are never going to accept ANY source contradicting their worldview, but they think by spamming it others will see "the truth". This way, they rarely need to state their own position (which is likely ridiculous on its face) and they can spend all their time attacking/spamming.

    Meh
    Uhhhhh

    If you go back in read i have asked for evidence that proves that this man is a "radical" who has bad ties or whatever and is manipulating the OWS movement. I have received none. Just been called lazy.


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