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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Good...that's a start. At least you have some familiarity with them. Now dig deeper. Who is Lasn?
    Founder of the magazine..
    He called for OWS movement quite a while ago but he takes no credit it for it.

    Who is White? What is their connection with OWS?
    No idea who White is. But he must be real scary!

    When you have a better understanding of the answers to these questions, you will understand why I made my first post in this thread in answer to the thread title's question:
    An anti consumerist who owns a magazine called ad busters... Real scary!


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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Founder of the magazine..
    He called for OWS movement quite a while ago but he takes no credit it for it.


    No idea who White is. But he must be real scary!


    An anti consumerist who owns a magazine called ad busters... Real scary!
    You need to dig a little deeper.

    There are a number of links provided in this thread that are illuminating, though I'll understand if you decline to sift through the large number of posts to find them.

    But, until you make a serious effort to become informed, you'll understand if I give little attention to your comments.
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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    You need to dig a little deeper.
    **** i havent got deep enough in the rabit hole?
    Why dont you just tell me?

    There are a number of links provided in this thread that are illuminating, though I'll understand if you decline to sift through the large number of posts to find them.

    But, until you make a serious effort to become informed, you'll understand if I give little attention to your comments.
    What is he a stalinist loving maoist?


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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    **** i havent got deep enough in the rabit hole?
    Why dont you just tell me?



    What is he a stalinist loving maoist?
    Sorry, dude, I'm not going to rehash a thread's worth of discussion for your benefit. It's all here in this thread and in others. If you have any interest beyond your childish, sarcastic one-liners that's up to you.
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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Sorry, dude, I'm not going to rehash a thread's worth of discussion for your benefit. It's all here in this thread and in others. If you have any interest beyond your childish, sarcastic one-liners that's up to you.
    I think your just very very scared of something when there is nothing to be scared of.


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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    As you learn more about the OWS movement you will find out that all official positions come from the NYC General Assembly of the OWS movement:

    "This document was accepted by the NYC General Assembly on September 29, 2011

    As we gather together in solidarity to express a feeling of mass injustice, we must not lose sight of what brought us together. We write so that all people who feel wronged by the corporate forces of the world can know that we are your allies.

    As one people, united, we acknowledge the reality: that the future of the human race requires the cooperation of its members; that our system must protect our rights, and upon corruption of that system, it is up to the individuals to protect their own rights, and those of their neighbors; that a democratic government derives its just power from the people, but corporations do not seek consent to extract wealth from the people and the Earth; and that no true democracy is attainable when the process is determined by economic power. We come to you at a time when corporations, which place profit over people, self-interest over justice, and oppression over equality, run our governments. We have peaceably assembled here, as is our right, to let these facts be known.

    They have taken our houses through an illegal foreclosure process, despite not having the original mortgage.
    They have taken bailouts from taxpayers with impunity, and continue to give Executives exorbitant bonuses.
    They have perpetuated inequality and discrimination in the workplace based on age, the color of one’s skin, sex, gender identity and sexual orientation.
    They have poisoned the food supply through negligence, and undermined the farming system through monopolization.
    They have profited off of the torture, confinement, and cruel treatment of countless animals, and actively hide these practices.
    They have continuously sought to strip employees of the right to negotiate for better pay and safer working conditions.
    They have held students hostage with tens of thousands of dollars of debt on education, which is itself a human right.
    They have consistently outsourced labor and used that outsourcing as leverage to cut workers’ healthcare and pay.
    They have influenced the courts to achieve the same rights as people, with none of the culpability or responsibility.
    They have spent millions of dollars on legal teams that look for ways to get them out of contracts in regards to health insurance.
    They have sold our privacy as a commodity.
    They have used the military and police force to prevent freedom of the press.
    They have deliberately declined to recall faulty products endangering lives in pursuit of profit.
    They determine economic policy, despite the catastrophic failures their policies have produced and continue to produce.
    They have donated large sums of money to politicians, who are responsible for regulating them.
    They continue to block alternate forms of energy to keep us dependent on oil.
    They continue to block generic forms of medicine that could save people’s lives or provide relief in order to protect investments that have already turned a substantial profit.
    They have purposely covered up oil spills, accidents, faulty bookkeeping, and inactive ingredients in pursuit of profit.
    They purposefully keep people misinformed and fearful through their control of the media.
    They have accepted private contracts to murder prisoners even when presented with serious doubts about their guilt.
    They have perpetuated colonialism at home and abroad.
    They have participated in the torture and murder of innocent civilians overseas.
    They continue to create weapons of mass destruction in order to receive government contracts.*
    To the people of the world,

    We, the New York City General Assembly occupying Wall Street in Liberty Square, urge you to assert your power.

    Exercise your right to peaceably assemble; occupy public space; create a process to address the problems we face, and generate solutions accessible to everyone.

    To all communities that take action and form groups in the spirit of direct democracy, we offer support, documentation, and all of the resources at our disposal.

    Join us and make your voices heard!"

    Declaration of the Occupation of New York City | NYC General Assembly # Occupy Wall Street

    And join they did, all over the country!
    It is interesting, and it certainly proves my point if this is the offical document. They are protesting greed, but they are greedy themselves.

    1. There are no demands, no proposals, no solutions.

    2. It shows how deluded they are. First of who is they? I think they think about the 1%. But many politicians are not in the 1%, and they are not a unified group. Only parts of the group may be responsible for the ill. Also, discrimination is a problem for the whole 100%.

    Some of them are nonissues. The food supply is not posioned.

    Others are just ridiculous. No one is holding back renewable energy. It is just many who (and that includes the 99%) don't want to spend taxpayers money on green subsidies.

    Problem with these protestors is that they are just as dumb as the average Fox News watchers, but think they are smart.

    With propaganda from the left they have started to believe that the cause of all of America's problems is the 1% and if they just paid their fair share then the wages wouldn't stagnate. Except that isn't true. The 1% have around 15% of the private economy. If you include the public, then they will just have 8-10% of the economy. Reducing this percentage by for instance 2-4% and redistributing it to the rest will not make the average American richer.

    3. It shows how greedy they are. Calling it Illegal foreclosure process. First it is definitively not illegal, because then they could have been sued. Secondly, foreclosure means that you can't pay your debt. It just natural that you have to sell your house if you can't afford to pay your house mortage.

    Also, the student debt issue comes up. If they don't want to spend so much money for no return, attend your state university, or get a degree that has a value. Don't expect to go to a private university, take a useless degree and then be mad because you have to pay back your debt.
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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    All this bickering is really pointless since OWS is a lame duck. OWS failed to gain the needed mass to go anywhere. OWS refuses to be a part of our system and work within it. OWS dances with Anti-Capitalists then tries to say that nothing happened that they are true Capitalists that they just want to fix Capitalism.

    SO lets call their obvious bluff, lets call it what these posters assert that it is: The Occupy Pro-Capitalism movement. How do you guys feel about that? Maybe you could go to a protest and carry that sign and see who starts calling you an agent provocateur. Seriously you cant have it both ways.

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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Good...that's a start. At least you have some familiarity with them. Now dig deeper. Who is Lasn? Who is White? What is their connection with OWS?

    When you have a better understanding of the answers to these questions, you will understand why I made my first post in this thread in answer to the thread title's question:
    What makes your conspiracy theories laughable to all but the far right, is that the majority of Americans support the main thrust of Occupy Wall Street. Poll after poll we see the majority supports less corporate money for politicians, greater regulation of the banking industry and elimination of the tax cuts for the rich.
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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    I think your just very very scared of something when there is nothing to be scared of.
    There is a song about what's scary about the nationwide protests -

    **Warning adult image involving the middle finger**

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