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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    The above post shows that OWS does not oppose Capitalism and seeks to impose a Socialist or Communist economic system.

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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    Personally, I believe most OWSers would be MORE than satisfied if we simply brought back Glass-Steagall, had more tax-brackets for the wealthy, millionaires, 7 billioniaires, had more regulations on banks & the mortgage industry, had a national health care system, had govt. funded college education to public colleges, had publicly financed elections and stripped corporations of personhood rights.
    Ohhhhh...so if we just simply significantly changed our health care industry, educational system, and election system they'd be happy. Wow, how amazingly simple.

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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    They're only against capitalism until they get jobs.
    In other words, for a large portion of these losers, they have always been against capitalism, and they always will be.

    Frankly, I think a majority of them simply aren't intelligent enough to understand what capitalism is, and to really be for or against it. All they get is that because of capitalism, there are people who have more than they do, and they want more of what they perceive as other people's excess wealth taken from those who have earned it, and given to themselves.
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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Ohhhhh...so if we just simply significantly changed our health care industry, educational system, and election system they'd be happy. Wow, how amazingly simple.
    actually, its not that revolutionary.

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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Rules and regluations.... we need a huge improvement here...a shame the conservatives are so against this....IMO, they are also against the American people....the middle class, but not the 1%, the super wealthy.
    Not the 1%. The 53%. Conservatives, in general, are on the side of all of us who seek to earn honest livings, through honest work, and wish to be allowed to enjoy the fruits of our labors; rather than having more and more of our own rightfully-earned wealth taken from us and given to the 47% who are represented by the OWS movement.

    It's the classic, eternal struggle between makers (those who actually support themselves, creating wealth through honest work) and takers (those who, rather than being willing to do any honest work and create any wealth of their own, simply want “excess” wealth taken from the makers and given to themselves).

    Conservatives are on the side of those of us who are content to carry our own fair share of the burden, but who are fed up with being demanded to carry the 47%'s share on top of our own.
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    We can be Godless and free. • “Social justice” through forced redistribution of wealth. • Silencing religious opinions counts as “diversity”. • Freedom without moral and personal responsibility. • Civilization can survive the intentional undermining of the family.

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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    Not the 1%. The 53%. Conservatives, in general, are on the side of all of us who seek to earn honest livings, through honest work, and wish to be allowed to enjoy the fruits of our labors; rather than having more and more of our own rightfully-earned wealth taken from us.....
    if that were true, they wouldn't support policies that makes lives harder for the Middle-class and working-class.

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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Ohhhhh...so if we just simply significantly changed our health care industry, educational system, and election system they'd be happy. Wow, how amazingly simple.
    Sounds to me as if Thunder favors the Libyan system. We just bombed the shiite out of them and killed a whole bunch of women and children there, so I would guess the gov't has vetoed that possibility. Sort of like an armed filibuster, don't you think? Actually, I favor the Libyan system. You know, gov't financed housing, education, healthcare and food according to monetary returns on gov't controlled assets, and get rid of 80% of the military. Change businesses to bottoms-up organizations where possible. Start with energy and banking and centralized distribution networks that override regulatory control.

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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl
    Marx argues that commodities have both a use-value and an exchange-value, and that their exchange-value is rooted in how much labor-power went into them. While traditionally people bought commodities in order to use them, capitalists use commodities differently. Their final goal is increased profit. Therefore, they put out money and buy commodities, in order to sell those commodities for a profit. The cycle then repeats itself. The reason why the capitalists are able to make a profit is that they only need to pay workers their value (how much it takes to keep them functional), but the workers produce more than that amount in a day. Thus, the workers are exploited. The capitalists are able to do this because they have more power, and control the means of production. Furthermore, the workers' character is negatively affected by the system. They don't own the products of their labor, and the repetitive work they have to do makes them little more than machines.
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    I find it hard to disagree with this short synopsis.

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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    I have heard that the OWS is not against capitalism at all, though I have seen many OWS groups and signs that indicate they are indeed against capitalism. What is the truth? Are they against capitalism or not? I wuld reason that during their earlier days they came to protest against businesses and corporations, which are all a part of capitalism. What do you think about this? I see OWS members on YouTube chanting against the crimes of capitalism while holding their signs that reflect their belief.
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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Let's make this very simple: OWS has some members who are against Capitalism. But as a whole, the movement is not seaking the total downfall of capitalism in the USA.

    Just as while there are a few racists in the Tea Party, they are not as a whole a racist movement.

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