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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Well neither does the Left give a damn about the poor. The Left's rhetoric focuses on the middle class.
    On the contrary, the left love the poor. They promote policies that create more and more poor, and keep these poor dependent on and enslaved to government welfare, which the left then use to assure that these dependents will vote for the left who promise to perpetuate these handouts.
    The five great lies of the Left Wrong:
    We can be Godless and free. • “Social justice” through forced redistribution of wealth. • Silencing religious opinions counts as “diversity”. • Freedom without moral and personal responsibility. • Civilization can survive the intentional undermining of the family.

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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    as far as I am concerned, giving tax-breaks for companies to move jobs overseas, is treason.
    The Constitution disagrees with you. Article III, Section 3 defines treason thusly:


    Treason against the United States shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.


    What you want to call “treason” has nothing whatsoever to do with treason, as defined by the Constitution.
    The five great lies of the Left Wrong:
    We can be Godless and free. • “Social justice” through forced redistribution of wealth. • Silencing religious opinions counts as “diversity”. • Freedom without moral and personal responsibility. • Civilization can survive the intentional undermining of the family.

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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    Really, so I didn't write this
    My mistake. You answered, and you answered wrong

    Only the deluded would believe that the construction workers who built factories were not working construction
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    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Thats great but I am not a Teabagger, so it really means nothing to me, since I was talking about millions of Americans not some faction within them.

    But why dont you answer my question? DO I now own my neighbors would shed since I built it for her? She paid for all of the materials I only did the work. I didnt even charge her for my time. Yet those workers you talked about that built the factory were paid for their time. And those workers most likely would not be the same workers working inside the factory. So your rational is really weird. Should the workers that built the factory own the factory or should the workers in the factory own the factory? And what about the people that made the building materials? Are all of these people entitled to ownership yet the person who spent their money to purchase the materials and labor has no entitlement to their own investment? Why would any rational human being invest in society if society just takes it all away?

    And where does such practice end? Most of the things that I own were made by other people. DO they own these things instead of me? IMO philosophically Karl Marx was an hypocritical idiot. He only theorized intellectual drivel that cannot be applied to the real world.
    Gee, suddenly you know who the teabaggers are!!!

    Your disingenous posts are not fooling anyone

    WRT your question, you are free to donate your labor is you choose. However, the price of labor should not be determined using coercive means. Both labor and capital should be regulated by a democratic govt that is not corrupt.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    My mistake. You answered, and you answered wrong

    Only the deluded would believe that the construction workers who built factories were not working construction
    I am sorry, but you make no sense what so ever.

    Your question was, how many of the 1% died during work as construction worker. I said that it was the same as for the bottom 1%, which is 0%. Because neither work in construction. Which is true.

    However, you are really an untrustworthy person. I asked you a question, you then chose to misunderstand the question on purpose. I told you that you misunderstood, and rephrased my question. Then you gave me this question and demanded that I respond before you will respond. Then I do answer the question, and guess what.

    You chose to not answer the question. Can I trust anything you say?

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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Proud South Korean View Post
    I fail to see why banks should make minimal profits. They are a business, devoted to making maximum profits within the boundaries of law, just like any other corporation or company
    Because banks wouldn't exist without govt money. They get to borrow money from the Fed (that's OUR money) at favorable rates. Taking our money gives us the right to have a say in how they operate. Even Ron Paul realizes this
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    But America already has the most progressive tax system in the western world. You want to make it even more progressive. The countries with welfare states, which I presume you support, have high taxes on everyone. Not just the rich.

    And yes many of these countries do run high budget deficits.

    And returning to Clinton tax rates would mean that the tax rates for the poor would also increase. Why shouldn't we increase taxes on everyone. Why should the rich pay for everything? Or, why would you think the rich would pay for everything. If taxes become to burdensome, they will just move their money and capital abroad.
    The US has one of the lowest tax rates in the developed world. What you call "countries with welfare states" the rest of call "developed nations". If you want the US to be a third world nation, then low taxes are the way to go

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    Maybe so, maybe not. If the wealthy decide to retract from the US market and invest overseas the reduction in available capital AND taxable income would hurt would it not?
    Tax rates in the US are lower than most other developed nations. The notion that if we raise taxes, the rich will invest in other, higher taxed nations, is a rightwing delusion
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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The majority of voters are saying the same thing.
    19 Different Polls Show That Americans Support Tax Increases To Cut Deficit
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    OH SORRY, I agree that the tax breaks should be ended as should any preferential treatment corporations get. I mistook the word 'grapple' to imply some forcible means to control companies/people...
    In post #361, you argued that outsourcing was a good thing. Now, three posts later, you're saying our govt should NOT finance policies that are good for the economy???

    You seem to be trying to have it both ways.
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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