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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    No, you didn't. You sidesteped the question by pretending like you didn't understand what I said.
    Sure I did. You asked if workers took a risk, and I answered by pointing out that workers risk their health and their lives. It's not my fault if you thought your question had only one right answer; it's the result of your limited pov, which leaves one unable to see the risks that workers take in order to earn a living.

    Now answer my question - What portion of the 1% died while working construction?
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Nice petition. It seems the person who made it would like to keep medicare. What's this have to do with drunk freshmen?
    You spoke about people who wanted govt handouts. You're not fooling anyone by pretending that you don't remember what you were talking about in order to avoid the embarrassment of admitting that the teabaggers are a bunch of unemployed bums dependent on govt welfare
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Not sure who these "Tea Tantrum" people you're speaking of, but going by just the chart you posted it appears that the orange/red movement has roughly 11% unemployed, non-retired people compared to the blue movement that appears to have 30% unemployed, non-retired people
    You're not fooling anybody by pretending you don't know who the tea tantrum people are, either.
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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    Yes, some specific protest actions have been designed to temporarily disrupt specific types of economic activity. This is, in my opinion, not a very bright idea. It is still a far cry from this:



    You do understand the distinction between a small number of tactical decisions to disrupt specific aspects of the economy and having the overall strategic goal of destabalizing the economy, yes?
    Perhaps their not so bright idea is an attempt to destabilize the economy. Tactical decisions implies a plan, does it not?

    Lets look at some facts. Adbusters no matter what degree they currently have within OWS hatched the idea for OWS. Adbusters asserts an anti-Capitalism ideology. Occupy Oakland is one of the more radical general assemblies among the occupy movement.
    This site, like the Occupy Wall Street Movement as a whole, aims to challenge an economic and political system that is dominated and controlled by the 1%. About Occupyoakland.org | This Website - Occupy Oakland
    That statement very clearly conveys that they are against our economic system and our political system.
    yes they assert that those system are dominated and controlled by the 1%. But they imply that the system allowed that to happen.

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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Perhaps their not so bright idea is an attempt to destabilize the economy. Tactical decisions implies a plan, does it not?
    Obviously yes, but not necessarily the plan you think it is, which is specifically why I pointed out the distinction between strategy and tactics. In fact, they are very likely not interested in the plan you're asserting (destabalizing the economy), given the extraordinary amount of evidence to the contrary (like, for instance, the attitudes and statements of the vast majority of OWS protesters that I've ever read or heard).

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Lets look at some facts. Adbusters no matter what degree they currently have within OWS hatched the idea for OWS. Adbusters asserts an anti-Capitalism ideology.
    Which might support your position if Adbusters had any real influence with OWS, which they very emphatically do not.

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Occupy Oakland is one of the more radical general assemblies among the occupy movement. That statement very clearly conveys that they are against our economic system and our political system.
    They are not "against" our economic system (not the way you mean, at least), they take issue with flaws in our economic and political systems. And if you actually talk to them, you'll find that with the exception of the die hard anarchists and socialists (most of whom are part of groups that pre-date OWS by years or decades, but have joined up with OWS nonetheless), none of them support destabalizing the economy. In fact, their primary interest is to create a stronger economy by pointing out and fixing the flaws in our economic and political system that perpetuate stagnant wages, a weakened middle class, and increasingly ridiculous profits for those elements of the financial sector most responsible for causing the disastrous recession we're all currently living through.

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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    You spoke about people who wanted govt handouts. You're not fooling anyone by pretending that you don't remember what you were talking about in order to avoid the embarrassment of admitting that the teabaggers are a bunch of unemployed bums dependent on govt welfare
    Well, yeah. I stated that its true that as a MOVEMENT OWS isn't about "handouts" but that its not exactly accurate that "people" aren't asking for handouts because they definitely are. I absolutely remember talking about that.

    Where you're losing me is with this talk of tea baggers. Like I said, outside of 8 year old kids throwing school yard insults or drunk college guys at a frat party I'm not exactly sure what you could mean and I'm not sure how any of those two things relates to your picture. I'd be happy to discuss my thoughts on the picture but I just don't have the context. Perhaps if you could accurately explain it then I'd be able to comment.

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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Well, yeah. I stated that its true that as a MOVEMENT OWS isn't about "handouts" but that its not exactly accurate that "people" aren't asking for handouts because they definitely are. I absolutely remember talking about that.

    Where you're losing me is with this talk of tea baggers. Like I said, outside of 8 year old kids throwing school yard insults or drunk college guys at a frat party I'm not exactly sure what you could mean and I'm not sure how any of those two things relates to your picture. I'd be happy to discuss my thoughts on the picture but I just don't have the context. Perhaps if you could accurately explain it then I'd be able to comment.
    Your post is nothing but dishonest and disingenous hypocrisy. You think it's fine for you to call others "drunk freshmen" but it's wrong when others engage in name calling. And you continue to pretend that you don't know who the teabaggers are so that you can avoid commenting on the how the teabaggers are dependent on govt handouts, while the OWS protesters are more likely to be employed



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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Your post is nothing but dishonest and disingenous hypocrisy. You think it's fine for you to call others "drunk freshmen" but it's wrong when others engage in name calling.
    Even as drunk freshmen, they are weak. I did much more entertaining things. They're mere punks.

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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Your post is nothing but dishonest and disingenous hypocrisy. You think it's fine for you to call others "drunk freshmen" but it's wrong when others engage in name calling.
    What? Not at all. I am stating that the only people I've witnessed involved in "tea bagging" have been drunken college guys at frat parties. I'm not insulting any group, simply indicating my confusion.

    And you continue to pretend that you don't know who the teabaggers are so that you can avoid commenting on the how the teabaggers are dependent on govt handouts, while the OWS protesters are more likely to be employed
    Again, perhaps you could be more specific as I do not understanding exactly how people who enjoy placing ones testicles on anothers mouth are dependent on government handouts, but perhaps you can better explain. You stated medicare...perhaps there are routine accidental teeth marks? Hard for me to say, I'm not familiar with it. Perhaps if you could clarify and be more specific we could speak and I could happily give you my thought and opinions.

    As to the OWS protesters being employed? Indeed, a majority of them are. Looking at the figure you keep posting, as I said, it appears that there are more "employed" people in the blue group then the red group. Similarly there are more people in the category of "unemployed" in the blue group compared to the red group. There is little to no people in the "retired" category in the blue group and about 33% in the red group. So it seem, as a percentage of their total numbers, the Blue group has both more currently employed and more currently "unemployed" statused people.

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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    We need a mass-tasing device. We could practice the sound machines. OWS will be worth something eventually.

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