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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    You get a brownie button. I am not theorizing. Today's 'Occupy the ports" was designed to disrupt the economy.
    Yes, some specific protest actions have been designed to temporarily disrupt specific types of economic activity. This is, in my opinion, not a very bright idea. It is still a far cry from this:

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    I think the plan all along has been to destabilize the economy
    You do understand the distinction between a small number of tactical decisions to disrupt specific aspects of the economy and having the overall strategic goal of destabalizing the economy, yes?

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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Yes, it was the workers who were injured and some even lost their lives building the factories and working in them. It's hard to "walk away" when you're dead

    on edit: What portion of the 1% died while working construction?
    Let me rephrase.

    Did the workers take the financial risk of investing in a new company, that could have easily failed?

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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Lol.

    [Its funny because it is obvious that is not the central issue.. as there really are no central issues.. but anti-capitalism is barely ever acknowledged. The movement is broad and inclusive. So, no. Lol. 'Occupy' is not anti-capitalism. (Maybe, for the most part, anti-crony-capitalism.. but not anti-capitalism)]

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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Why should I concern myself with the useful idiots? They do nothing useful...nothing that matters...nothing really original. All of their activities are directed by the few behind-the-scenes people at Adbusters.
    Right. So, in a nutshell, your position is "I refuse to pay attention to what OWS is doing or saying, but I'm convinced that they're doing and saying things in furtherance of the goals of an organization that I don't like."

    You may want to work on your reasoning skills there, buddy.

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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    Let me rephrase.

    Did the workers take the financial risk of investing in a new company, that could have easily failed?
    I answered your question, so why won't you answer mine?

    What portion of the 1% died while working construction?
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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    Right. So, in a nutshell, your position is "I refuse to pay attention to what OWS is doing or saying, but I'm convinced that they're doing and saying things in furtherance of the goals of an organization that I don't like."

    You may want to work on your reasoning skills there, buddy.
    Some people have to work very hard to not understand what OWS is about

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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I answered your question, so why won't you answer mine?

    What portion of the 1% died while working construction?
    No, you didn't. You sidesteped the question by pretending like you didn't understand what I said.

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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    I have heard that the OWS is not against capitalism at all, though I have seen many OWS groups and signs that indicate they are indeed against capitalism. What is the truth? Are they against capitalism or not? I wuld reason that during their earlier days they came to protest against businesses and corporations, which are all a part of capitalism. What do you think about this? I see OWS members on YouTube chanting against the crimes of capitalism while holding their signs that reflect their belief.
    I actually watched a documentary today with a reporter who joined the OWS movement in an attempt to udnerstand their goals. I have to say I was surprised to see the OWS through the eyes of someone uncensored by the major media news channels. I used to think of them as jobless hippies but in truth there are some major political concerns that the OWs brings up that I find myself agreeing with.

    No the OWS movement is not against capitalism they actually support the idea in general however when it comes to matters of say in political matters they do not believe that politicans should be bought out before they ever even get into office. And I have to say I agree with them in this respect. Our political system here in america is too heavily reliant on the money flow, people who are owners of big buisnesses have the biggest political say and for the most part almost all politicians are worried about one thing, getting re-elected.

    In order to get re-elected they need to follow the guidelines of the two biggest contributers to their campaign funds
    1: Big buisness/lobbyist
    2: their political party affiliation.

    With both of these matters in mind a politicians ability to vote on an issue in true regard to their own opinion is limited in a most severe matter. If they do not represent those who helped them get into office, the chances are they will never get re-elected as they will not have the cash pool to pull from. Because of this politicians have the tendency to play it safe in most regards and only follow the will of their political party on any given issue. This is why the supercommittee we had recently failed. Two sides that will argue on any given issue no matter what with no form of compromise. No side ever wants to be the one to break party rules.

    Back on the topic of the OWS movement I have actually seen a few people with signs saying 'up with capitalism down with greed' while I could not tell you the exact meaning of this sign I suppose we can infer that it has to with the ideas of those who put in a large amount of effort will get greaer rewards than those who put in less effort and the idea that anyone in America could start a buisness if they wanted and it would be up to them to make it successful. In our corrent society those huge companies who buy out politicians have a LARGE amount of control, so much that those smaller stores really just can't compete in the market. Somehting else I can infer is that this is of course referring to massive government bailouts on corporation of which they have had a lot of stock or credit with. As I stated before that is only what I can infer from this.

    I encourage all of you to keep in mind what I said before however that the OWS main goal is to fight against political corruption in our government caused by the money flow and in the sense I support them.
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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Some people refuse to recognize the truth even when it's put into pictures


    Nice petition. It seems the person who made it would like to keep medicare. What's this have to do with drunk freshmen?

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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    OWS protesters are more likely to have a job than Tea Tantrum protesters



    Get a What? A Job? 70% of Occupy Wall Streeters are Employed, Compared to 56% of Tea Partiers
    Not sure who these "Tea Tantrum" people you're speaking of, but going by just the chart you posted it appears that the orange/red movement has roughly 11% unemployed, non-retired people compared to the blue movement that appears to have 30% unemployed, non-retired people

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