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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Of course wealth is collective. Everything we do is collective. No one produces anything in a vacuum. Our economy is a vast network of interconnected activities, all of which rely on the others for anything to be produces and any wealth to be created. A small business owner could not create any wealth without all of the people who make every single material he uses, staff every business he uses, maintain the public areas he uses, enforce laws, grow his food, manage his money, transport his goods and the previously mentioned material and food... We are all dependent on thousands, if not millions, of people to accomplish every single task we engage in every day.

    Everything is collective. To suggest otherwise is to miss the big picture. Only tunnel vision would make a person think that we do not all contribute to everything that we, as a society, create.
    Do you think this "collective wealth" should be controlled by the government? Or by the collective will of the people who own the wealth?
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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    Not really that odd, given the source. This is typical “Occupy” vermin mentality. Wealth doesn't really belong to those who rightfully created/earned it. Allowing someone to keep more of what was rightfully his all along is, to that mindset, a “handout”.
    part of the problem is that the wealthy did not create their vast wealth. The workers on the factory floor created the wealth...but are not fairly compensated for it.

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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    part of the problem is that the wealthy did not create their vast wealth. The workers on the factory floor created the wealth...but are not fairly compensated for it.
    And the factory came into existence how? Did the workers make the factory? Didnt the workers agree to work for X amount of money to compensate for their time?

    As it stands people are free to build their own factories and control that business. True no business of any respectable size can exist without workers. But if there is no factory certainly there will be no workers. Thats why out sourcing has such a large effect on employment.

    The logic that the worker deserves more for working in the factory is flawed logic. If you buy lemons and everything needed for a lemonaid stand. ANd pay a friend to operate the stand should that friend take a larger cut of the profits? Maybe at first the worker may make actually more than the owner. But eventually when the business is built up that changes. The workers still make the same for their work but the owner sees an increase in profits. The owner gets to keep their profit because that is their liberty to do so. If other people think it should be done differently it is their liberty to do so. But that is based on their opinion.

    Suggesting that an owner of an business should share more of their profits is quite different than forcing an owner to share more of their profits. Pay scale is governed by the federal government. Working to get Pay scale changed is more fruitful than trying to hedge the liberties of Americans.

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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Suggesting that an owner of an business should share more of their profits is quite different than forcing an owner to share more of their profits. Pay scale is governed by the federal government. Working to get Pay scale changed is more fruitful than trying to hedge the liberties of Americans.
    And continuing that thought, the worker's liability of the failure of the business is merely the loss of income. They essentially can just walk away. The owner typically has put much more capital/wealth at risk and comparatively loses MUCH more on business failure.

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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Sorry, I'm not a 8 year old or a college freshmen, so not familiar with any "tea baggers" asking for handouts aside from possibly handouts of free natty ice.
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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    WHy is it that millions of Americans can and do work for a better life yet the occupiers cant seem to figure out how to do it themselves?
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    Last edited by sangha; 12-13-11 at 11:25 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    And the factory came into existence how? Did the workers make the factory?
    Yes, the workers built the factories.
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Yes, the workers built the factories.
    Did the workers take the risk?

    You know that most investment projects fail?

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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    Did the workers take the risk?
    Yes, it was the workers who were injured and some even lost their lives building the factories and working in them. It's hard to "walk away" when you're dead

    on edit: What portion of the 1% died while working construction?
    Last edited by sangha; 12-13-11 at 11:29 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    WHy is it that millions of Americans can and do work for a better life yet the occupiers cant seem to figure out how to do it themselves?
    Many if not most of them have done so, but shifting economic conditions and rampant crony politics have made it impossible to sustain a middle class as large as ours has been for the last several decades. This isn't just affecting flaky liberal arts grads either. For instance, I've read about recently unemployed software engineers, underemployed accountants, and other people with professional skills. So in short, the answer to your question is that you're asking the wrong question, or rather a question based on a false premise.

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