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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    I find it odd that you would consider a tax cut to be a handout...and wealth is not collective in this country...at least, not yet...regardless your desires.
    Of course wealth is collective. Everything we do is collective. No one produces anything in a vacuum. Our economy is a vast network of interconnected activities, all of which rely on the others for anything to be produces and any wealth to be created. A small business owner could not create any wealth without all of the people who make every single material he uses, staff every business he uses, maintain the public areas he uses, enforce laws, grow his food, manage his money, transport his goods and the previously mentioned material and food... We are all dependent on thousands, if not millions, of people to accomplish every single task we engage in every day.

    Everything is collective. To suggest otherwise is to miss the big picture. Only tunnel vision would make a person think that we do not all contribute to everything that we, as a society, create.
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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    WHy is it that millions of Americans can and do work for a better life yet the occupiers cant seem to figure out how to do it themselves?
    It is simply math:

    There are millions more people than jobs.

    Think maybe its time to stop providing tax breaks to companies that outsource American jobs????
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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    WHy is it that millions of Americans can and do work for a better life yet the occupiers cant seem to figure out how to do it themselves?
    You are assuming that the people at OWS do not work, and that is false. According to a poll of 198 OWS activists in NYC conducted by the WSJ 85% are employed.

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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    They just think that by calling handouts "tax cuts", that legitimizes it. It's still a desire to obtain a greater portion of the collective wealth.
    I find it odd that you would consider a tax cut to be a handout...and wealth is not collective in this country...at least, not yet...regardless your desires.
    Not really that odd, given the source. This is typical “Occupy” vermin mentality. Wealth doesn't really belong to those who rightfully created/earned it. Allowing someone to keep more of what was rightfully his all along is, to that mindset, a “handout”.
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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by nathanj63 View Post
    You are assuming that the people at OWS do not work, and that is false. According to a poll of 198 OWS activists in NYC conducted by the WSJ 85% are employed.
    So how is it that they have the time to spend at these protests, crapping on police cars, trashing parks, interfering with real workers trying to get to or perform their own jobs.

    I'm employed, and if I wanted to support the “Occupy” vermin by participating in their protests, I wouldn't be able to do so, because in order to keep my job, I have to show up at work and perform my job. What sort of employers do these vermin have, that don't expect them to be at their workplaces doing their jobs?
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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by nathanj63 View Post
    You are misinformed. I don't even think 1% of the people who attend OWS meeting share this sentiment.
    No, probably around 50-80% of the people at the OWS share this sentiment. Not that are against financial regulation too, but the most important factor is greed.

    They will not admit it of course, but it is easy to see. They are not focusing at financial regulation at all. They are focusing on greedy issues, such as getting their loans forgiven, free college, free health care, and how they want a job. (which means high paying job)

    The OWS are the same people who are protesting in Greece. They are greedy.

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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    They just think that by calling handouts "tax cuts", that legitimizes it. It's still a desire to obtain a greater portion of the collective wealth.
    Who? Freshmen? Don't really remember a lot of them talking much about tax cuts or medicare at frat parties but I accpet that every college may be different.

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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    It is simply math:

    There are millions more people than jobs.

    Think maybe its time to stop providing tax breaks to companies that outsource American jobs????
    Out sourcing obviously is a problem and has been for decades. Tariffs on those companies would solve the problem.

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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by nathanj63 View Post
    You are assuming that the people at OWS do not work, and that is false. According to a poll of 198 OWS activists in NYC conducted by the WSJ 85% are employed.
    No you are the assuming, I did not imply any such thing. I was throwing out the juxtapose to this.
    Most of the people involved with OWS would simply like the opportunity to work hard in order to improve their lot in life. Unfortunately, current economic conditions, combined with three decades of stagnant wages for pretty much the entire country have made that impossible.
    I am pointed out that people do work hard in America and move forward, that it is not impossible.

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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    I've noticed. You probably should, though, if you had any interest at all in honestly addressing this issue rather than concocting bull**** conspiracy theories.
    Why should I concern myself with the useful idiots? They do nothing useful...nothing that matters...nothing really original. All of their activities are directed by the few behind-the-scenes people at Adbusters.
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