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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    It wasn't front page news until the OWS
    The Universal Health Care debate wasn't front page news until OWS? You're joking right? That's is laughably ridiculous to even suggest.

    Public financing of elections still isn't front page news.

    What do you find so revolutionary about restoring some of the progressiveness of our tax rates and re-regulation of the banks?
    I never said those things were revolutionary.

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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    That's why I called the people in the parks useful idiots. I don't give a wit about what they say or do. I look to those behind them...directing them. And those behind them are against capitalism.
    I agree. I think the plan all along has been to destabilize the economy, hence why they refuse to make any real commitment as to what they want. Asking any supporter directly the purpose and they will stonewall and point at wall street and insist that all things corrupt start from these. Yet when pressed to show exactly how that is so and they start repeating Leftist slogans.

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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Source?
    Proof?
    My source and my proof are the actions and writings of the originators of OWS.

    I gave you a starting point for your research. If you need more direction, let me know...I'll give you a few more links.
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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I never said those things were revolutionary.
    Great, let's address those.
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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Great, let's address those.
    I'm fine with regulating banks in such a way as to assure they can not become such large entity that they are "too big to fail". I'm also fine with seeing Tax rates, ACROSS THE BOARD, return to a Clinton era level once the economy continues to improve and we see Washington actually taking steps to cut spending and reform entitlements. I have no problem with taxes increasing a bit across the board and giving up some of my money if Washington starts giving up some of theirs as well. Raising them as opposed to going to something like the Fair Tax isn't my preference, but I'd not be 100% against it.

    We've had regulation on banks in the past and still have some now...suggesting more regulation isn't revolutionary, its something we clearly have had recently and still have. Our taxes ALREADY ARE progressive so its not revolutionary in the least to suggest we should have a progressive tax situation. Suggesting a raise to our taxes isn't revolutionary as they're lowered currently due to a temporary cut anyways.

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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    My source and my proof are the actions and writings of the originators of OWS.

    I gave you a starting point for your research. If you need more direction, let me know...I'll give you a few more links.
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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    I visited an OWS encampment and attended one of their general assembly meetings, just to see for real what they were all about.

    OWS isn't against capitalism anymore than fans who can't afford a ticket are against baseball.

    OWS is against the rogue elephants of capitalism who, like the rogue elephants of baseball have violated our sense of decency via steriods in the name of higher stats and more money, have violated our sense of decency via off-shoring millions of our jobs and other indecent acts in the name of higher profits.
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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    I have heard that the OWS is not against capitalism at all, though I have seen many OWS groups and signs that indicate they are indeed against capitalism. What is the truth? Are they against capitalism or not? I wuld reason that during their earlier days they came to protest against businesses and corporations, which are all a part of capitalism. What do you think about this? I see OWS members on YouTube chanting against the crimes of capitalism while holding their signs that reflect their belief.
    The crazy ones sh*tting on police cars are probably against capitalism. But there are plenty others who are just against corporate corruption of the political system.
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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I'm fine with regulating banks in such a way as to assure they can not become such large entity that they are "too big to fail". I'm also fine with seeing Tax rates, ACROSS THE BOARD, return to a Clinton era level once the economy continues to improve and we see Washington actually taking steps to cut spending and reform entitlements. I have no problem with taxes increasing a bit across the board and giving up some of my money if Washington starts giving up some of theirs as well. Raising them as opposed to going to something like the Fair Tax isn't my preference, but I'd not be 100% against it.

    We've had regulation on banks in the past and still have some now...suggesting more regulation isn't revolutionary, its something we clearly have had recently and still have. Our taxes ALREADY ARE progressive so its not revolutionary in the least to suggest we should have a progressive tax situation. Suggesting a raise to our taxes isn't revolutionary as they're lowered currently due to a temporary cut anyways.
    Check out HR 1489, it does what the Glass-Steagall Act did for half a century, kept investment banking separate from commercial banking. The majority of the US agrees with you that it would be a good idea to eliminate the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy. Of course we are also going to have to cut spending as we come out of the recession, and the area of biggest waste is in the military industrial complex.
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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Your /thread would work better if Matt didn't make broad generalizations about what "people" want that is clearly documented to be untrue. If he wants to say the movement by and large doesn't want handouts then more power to him...I don't think handouts are the groups primary purpose. But there most assuredly ARE people within the movement who absolutely DO want a handout.
    The same is true of the teabaggers
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