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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    I think that you need to do some research on type of Anarchism. When you watch vids of the protesters you will notice some people with things like mohawks colored hair tats etc. These people are what is known as Anarcho-Punks. Many Anarcho punks are Anarcho Communists. True Communism is the opposite of Anarchy at least if we were talking about purest Anarchy and we are not. Here is their symbol:

    It's amazing that you can discern the nuance of a person's political philosophy solely from their hairstyle.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    You claim 19% but you havent provided any proof. The latest Gallup poll said 9%. But still the majority is Left wing. And since one has to look very hard to here what that 9% has to say are they even relevant to the movement?
    You haven't provided how many proof of the how much of the percentage of OWSers with mohawks are anarchists. Or, of how many of those OWSers with mohawks and are anarchists are anarcho-punks. Or, of how many of those OWSers with mohawks and are anarchists and are anarcho-punks are anarcho-communists. Or, of how many of those OWSers with mohawks and are anarchists and are anarcho-punks and are anarcho-communists are also true communists.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Anarchist are a particularly goofy set of useful idiots who are invariably co-opted when useful then ideologically discarded by the far left once their goals have been achieved.

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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    OWS Mission Statement:

    "As we gather together in solidarity to express a feeling of mass injustice, we must not lose sight of what brought us together. We write so that all people who feel wronged by the corporate forces of the world can know that we are your allies.

    As one people, united, we acknowledge the reality: that the future of the human race requires the cooperation of its members; that our system must protect our rights, and upon corruption of that system, it is up to the individuals to protect their own rights, and those of their neighbors; that a democratic government derives its just power from the people, but corporations do not seek consent to extract wealth from the people and the Earth; and that no true democracy is attainable when the process is determined by economic power. We come to you at a time when corporations, which place profit over people, self-interest over justice, and oppression over equality, run our governments.
    We have peaceably assembled here, as is our right, to let these facts be known."

    See the remainder of their Mission Statement here: Occupy Wall St. releases their mission statement… « The Devout Infidel
    Who wrote that?


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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Anarcho-syndicalism is still against government.



    So anarcho-syndicalists and anarcho-capitalists are still against government institutions. Where they differ, however, is how economic institutions should be organized.
    Left anarchism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Left anarchism or left-wing anarchism refer to left-wing forms of anarchism. It posits a future society in which private property is replaced by reciprocity and non-hierarchical society.[1][2] The term left anarchism is sometimes used synonymously with libertarian socialism,[3] left libertarianism, or socialist anarchism.[4]
    Left-wing anarchists have been visible in anti-globalization protests, such as in Seattle in 1999 against the World Trade Organization.[5]
    Ulrike Heider, a syndicalist, categorizes anarchism into left anarchism, right anarchism (anarcho-capitalism), and green anarchism.[6][page needed] Heider's work has been strongly criticised by anarchist academics including Bryan Caplan and Murray Bookchin for the allegedly poor quality of its research and presentation.[7][8] Left-wing anarchism is distinguished from free-market anarchism[9] and right-wing anarchism (such as that of Murray Rothbard).[10]

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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Really? and where would I look for these people? If you have some link that sheds some light on this subject dont by shy share it.

    BTW I do have theories on who and what is behind the recent Leftist movements but I have nothing concrete to share. So any input you have would be appreciated. Because it is obvious that this is an organized attack on America IMO.
    A good place to start is always Wiki:

    Origin

    In a July 13, 2011 blog post, the Canadian-based Adbusters Foundation, best known for its advertisement-free anti-consumerist magazine Adbusters, proposed a peaceful occupation of Wall Street to protest corporate influence on democracy, the absence of legal repercussions for the bankers behind the recent global financial crisis, and a growing disparity in wealth.[5][6] They sought to combine the symbolic location of the 2011 protests in Tahrir Square with the consensus decision making of the 2011 Spanish protests.[7] Adbusters' senior editor Micah White said they had suggested the protest via their email list and it "was spontaneously taken up by all the people of the world.”[6] Adbusters' website said that from their "one simple demand, a presidential commission to separate money from politics," they would "start setting the agenda for a new America."[8] They promoted the protest with a poster featuring a dancer atop Wall Street's iconic Charging Bull.[9][10]

    The internet group Anonymous encouraged its readers to take part in the protests, calling protesters to "flood lower Manhattan, set up tents, kitchens, peaceful barricades and occupy Wall Street."[11][12] Other groups began to join in the organization of the protest, including the U.S. Day of Rage,[13] and the NYC General Assembly, the governing body of the Occupy Wall Street group.[14] An Occupy Wall Street page on Facebook began on September 19 with a YouTube video of the early protests, and by September 22, it had reached critical mass. By mid-October, Facebook listed 125 Occupy-related pages and roughly one in every 500 hashtags used on Twitter, all around the world, was the movement's own #OWS.[15]

    Adbusters' Kalle Lasn, when asked why it took three years after the implosion of Lehman Brothers' for people to begin protesting, said that after the election of President Barack Obama there was a feeling among the young that he would pass laws to regulate the banking system and "take these financial fraudsters and bring them to justice." However, as time passed, "the feeling that he's a bit of a gutless wonder slowly crept in" and they lost their hope that his election would result in change.[16]

    The protest was begun at Zuccotti Park since it was private property and police could not legally force protesters to leave without being requested to do so by the property owner.[17] At a press conference held on the same day as the protests began, New York City mayor Michael Bloomberg explained, "People have a right to protest, and if they want to protest, we'll be happy to make sure they have locations to do it."[14]

    Immediate prototypes for OWS are the British student protests of 2010, Greece's and Spain's anti-austerity protests of the "indignados" (indignants), as well as the Middle Easts' Arab Spring protests. These antecedents have in common with OWS a reliance on social media and electronic messaging to circumvent the authorities, as well as the feeling that financial institutions, corporations, and the political elite have been malfeasant in their behavior toward youth and the middle class.[18][19] Occupy Wall Street, in turn, gave rise to the Occupy movement in the United States and around the world.[20][21][22]
    Occupy Wall Street - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    This will lead you to Adbusters and it's leader, Kalle Lasn. He and his trusted associates continue to direct the course of OWS behind the scenes.
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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Read my signature.

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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    A good place to start is always Wiki:



    This will lead you to Adbusters and it's leader, Kalle Lasn. He and his trusted associates continue to direct the course of OWS behind the scenes.
    Adbusters floated the idea the NYCGA actually acted on the idea.

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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    Who wrote that?
    The New York City General Assembly occupying Wall Street in Liberty Square.
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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    The capitalist system is ultimately unstable, because it cannot endlessly sustain profits (exert from Das Kapital).

    Think about it for a minute. All Wall Street does is buy commodities to turn around and sell them for a profit. Eventually, the market "corrects itself" and many are left holding the bag. This is repeated over and over. There is no real value added to any of these products, or company shares, when they are sold for the higher amounts. The higher value is speculation at best. Then the corporations will create added value by trimming back on the cost of production in order to increase the profit line. This can be done with automation, pay decreases and layoffs, or out sourcing the jobs to cheap labor.

    All of which undermine the middle class. The middle class can't fight back because they don't qualify for the bank loans necessary to start businesses, nor do they know how to go about it in many cases. Or maybe they just like working 40 hr. weeks instead of working on their new business every waking moment. Not everyone can think of something that they love that much.

    So carry on Wall Street, Banks, and corporations, I'm retiring from this game in 5.5 years. I've seen it go back and forth from bad to nasty my whole working life. Just remember that when you squeeze every last red cent of profit out of your cheap junk, that there may be a large group of young strong people waiting in the wings to take your pretty things away.
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