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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Does co-opting an movement count as supporting it?
    No, and asking irrelevant questions doesn't hide the fail
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    I think that they are pro-capitalism and anti-Corporatism. Corporatism or as Mussolini stated is better known as Fascism. It is the Corporate driver that can initiate wars for resources and profit that resides here. Wars for Big Energy and the status quo of big money. The people who profit from war, ergo are constantly ginning up wars. That'd be Corporations here in the USA. I mean, it's about profit, black and white numbers, the bottom line, and by Corporate personhood that does not live and breathe, so don't worry about the pollution either.
    Yeah, yeah, all corporations are bad, we all knew that
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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    No, and asking irrelevant questions doesn't hide the fail
    How astute of you. Were the Ron Paul supporters participating in the General Assemblies? Or were they standing to the side holding signs? Are there any recent photos of the Right wingers at any of the protests. And were they showing support or being opportunistic?. But none the less it just proves that the majority of the protesters and supporters of OWS are Left wing of some sort.
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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    Unregulated capitalism, yes. Regulated capitalism, no.

    OWS, in my opinion, seems to promote a mixture of regulated capitalism and socialism. They seem to think that corporations should not have influence in public policy and that they should follow regulation in order to prevent economic disasters like the one we have been experiencing. Welfare is a socialist policy, but OWS doesn't seem to want to eliminate all corporations and free trade.
    A well reasoned perspective. We can always use more of those. Welcome to the forum!
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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    How astute of you. Were the Ron Paul supporters participating in the General Assemblies? Or were they standing to the side holding signs? Are there any recent photos of the Right wingers at any of the protests. And were they showing support or being opportunistic?. But none the less it just proves that the majority of the protesters and supporters of OWS are Left wing of some sort.
    Yes and the questions you go on to ask are not mutually exclusive. This may surprise you, but Ron Paul supporters can participate in GA's *AND* hold signs. And as I pointed out, 19% of republicans say they support OWS
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Do they have any manifesto ?
    OWS Mission Statement:

    "As we gather together in solidarity to express a feeling of mass injustice, we must not lose sight of what brought us together. We write so that all people who feel wronged by the corporate forces of the world can know that we are your allies.

    As one people, united, we acknowledge the reality: that the future of the human race requires the cooperation of its members; that our system must protect our rights, and upon corruption of that system, it is up to the individuals to protect their own rights, and those of their neighbors; that a democratic government derives its just power from the people, but corporations do not seek consent to extract wealth from the people and the Earth; and that no true democracy is attainable when the process is determined by economic power. We come to you at a time when corporations, which place profit over people, self-interest over justice, and oppression over equality, run our governments.
    We have peaceably assembled here, as is our right, to let these facts be known."

    See the remainder of their Mission Statement here: Occupy Wall St. releases their mission statement… The Devout Infidel
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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    actually, its not that revolutionary.
    For a half century it produced the strongest middle class in our history!!! But, the 40's thru the 70's in the US are now considered the socialism years of the US that many of the far right are terrified of for some reason.
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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Yes and the questions you go on to ask are not mutually exclusive. This may surprise you, but Ron Paul supporters can participate in GA's *AND* hold signs. And as I pointed out, 19% of republicans say they support OWS
    You claim 19% but you havent provided any proof. The latest Gallup poll said 9%. But still the majority is Left wing. And since one has to look very hard to here what that 9% has to say are they even relevant to the movement?

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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    You claim 19% but you havent provided any proof. The latest Gallup poll said 9%. But still the majority is Left wing. And since one has to look very hard to here what that 9% has to say are they even relevant to the movement?
    I posted a link, which you ignored. It's 19%
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Well, the terms are pretty subjective, that's for sure. Nevertheless the general consensus is that there are different strains of anarchism and that anarchism as a whole is not exclusive to the left or the right.
    Yup. That's my point as well.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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