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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    No, those are not the things that make up a platform. What I listed were just a few of the constituent groups of the OWS movement, and each constituent group has their own belief separate from the beliefs of the other constituent group.

    And, yes, political parties have multiple ideas. But the various groups within OWS may have conflicting ideas that prevent it from being what you would call a third party.

    As I stated before, some groups that have associated with the OWS are socialists and anarchists. Socialists seek to use government as a tool for various policies. Anarchists seek to eliminate government altogether for various reasons. These means that the multiple ideals that socialists and anarchists have are incompatible with each other for them to unite as a single political party.



    Just because a group is not of the Right does not necessarily mean that it is also of the Left.
    Ok you keep saying that OWS is made up of different groups. please show me who they are. Give me some links.


    The entire OWS model is Leftist all the way down to the General Assembly. Every sign being held, every position being asserted. I challenge you to show me a legit OWS protester that is not on the Left.

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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Ok you keep saying that OWS is made up of different groups. please show me who they are. Give me some links.
    I know that anarchists are a part of the OWS because I heard an NPR report about someone who worked on Wall Street talk to a group of anarchists attending the NYC protests so he could learn a bit about anarchism and so he could teach a bit about Wall Street to anarchists.

    I know that socialists are a part of OWS because I've seen interviews of OWS protest that widening wealth gap and advocating redistribution of wealth to end it.

    I know that the elderly are a part of OWS because I've seen them participate in news reports.

    I know that young college students are a part of OWS because I've seen them interviewed by on news reports.

    Those are the only broad groups I've mentioned because those are the only groups I've heard about. I don't have the time to hunt down the specific news reports. I don't know what other groups may be participating. And it's not like the OWS movement has an exact membership list we can check either.


    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    The entire OWS model is Leftist all the way down to the General Assembly. Every sign being held, every position being asserted. I challenge you to show me a legit OWS protester that is not on the Left.
    Here is a picture of anarchists at Occupy D.C.

    Is the OWS against Capitalism?-ows-u00252banarchists-2bat-2bows-2bdc-2b11-5-11-jpg

    It was found at the following conservative blog:
    NebraskAttitude: Anarchists at Occupy D.C.

    Anarchism is not a leftist philosophy.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post

    Anarchism is not a leftist philosophy.
    It depends on what type of Anarchism.

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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    I know that anarchists are a part of the OWS because I heard an NPR report about someone who worked on Wall Street talk to a group of anarchists attending the NYC protests so he could learn a bit about anarchism and so he could teach a bit about Wall Street to anarchists.

    I know that socialists are a part of OWS because I've seen interviews of OWS protest that widening wealth gap and advocating redistribution of wealth to end it.

    I know that the elderly are a part of OWS because I've seen them participate in news reports.

    I know that young college students are a part of OWS because I've seen them interviewed by on news reports.

    Those are the only broad groups I've mentioned because those are the only groups I've heard about. I don't have the time to hunt down the specific news reports. I don't know what other groups may be participating. And it's not like the OWS movement has an exact membership list we can check either.


    So those are the main groups involved in OWS?

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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    It depends on what type of Anarchism.
    Well, the very term "anarchism" comes from the Greek words for "without leaders" which equate to "without government."

    And leftist philosophies have always been accused by conservatives for using big government policies.

    So I don't see how it's possible to lump those who are against all forms of government into a political wing that favors large government powers.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    So those are the main groups involved in OWS?
    I'm saying those are groups that I know that have some members involved in OWS.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Well, the very term "anarchism" comes from the Greek words for "without leaders" which equate to "without government."

    And leftist philosophies have always been accused by conservatives for using big government policies.

    So I don't see how it's possible to lump those who are against all forms of government into a political wing that favors large government powers.
    He's actually right about this one:

    Anarcho-syndicalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Last edited by Aderleth; 12-12-11 at 01:05 AM.

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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Well, the very term "anarchism" comes from the Greek words for "without leaders" which equate to "without government."

    And leftist philosophies have always been accused by conservatives for using big government policies.

    So I don't see how it's possible to lump those who are against all forms of government into a political wing that favors large government powers.
    Technically he's right. Less government doesn't necessarily equate to right-wing (although that's what many conservatives would prefer to think). You do have both left anarchists (anarcho-syndicalists) and right-anarchists (anarcho-capitalists).
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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    He's actually right about this one:

    Anarcho-syndicalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Technically he's right. Less government doesn't necessarily equate to right-wing (although that's what many conservatives would prefer to think). You do have both left anarchists (anarcho-syndicalists) and right-anarchists (anarcho-capitalists).
    Anarcho-syndicalism is still against government.

    Quote Originally Posted by From the Article
    Additionally, anarcho-syndicalists regard the state as a profoundly anti-worker institution. They view the primary purpose of the state as being the defence of private property and therefore of economic, social and political privilege, even when such defence denies its citizens the ability to enjoy material independence and the social autonomy which springs from it.[3] In contrast to other bodies of thought (Marxism-Leninism being a prime example), anarcho-syndicalists deny that there can be any kind of workers' state, or a state which acts in the interests of workers, as opposed to those of the powerful. Reflecting the anarchist philosophy from which it draws its primary inspiration, anarcho-syndicalism holds to the idea that power corrupts.[4].
    So anarcho-syndicalists and anarcho-capitalists are still against government institutions. Where they differ, however, is how economic institutions should be organized.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

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