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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Okay. That's your right to feel that way.
    Thanks just the same but I don't need you to tell me I don't have to agree with the 99%ers even though they arrogantly claim to speak for me.

    And the advocates of various political philosophies see a widening gap in wealth in the United States and are seeing more influence over the government by economic elites and while they may not agree what to do as a solution to those problems those advocates agree that those are problems endangering our nation.
    "Various political philosophies"? LOL Is there really any doubt that OWS is a left wing movement?

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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post

    "Various political philosophies"? LOL Is there really any doubt that OWS is a left wing movement?
    Is there really any doubt that "the left wing" encompasses various political philosophies?

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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    Is there really any doubt that "the left wing" encompasses various political philosophies?
    No, I'll give you that.

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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Thanks just the same but I don't need you to tell me I don't have to agree with the 99%ers even though they arrogantly claim to speak for me.

    "Various political philosophies"? LOL Is there really any doubt that OWS is a left wing movement?
    If your mind can only handle a thought as either being left-wing or right-wing then I don't think there's any use in talking nuance with you.

    Especially when the right-wing is divided into various political philosophies such as paleo-conservatives, neo-conservatives, the Religious Right, libertarians, and the Tea Party populists.
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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    If your mind can only handle a thought as either being left-wing or right-wing then I don't think there's any use in talking nuance with you.

    Especially when the right-wing is divided into various political philosophies such as paleo-conservatives, neo-conservatives, the Religious Right, libertarians, and the Tea Party populists.
    Is there something particularly surprising or offensive that a right winger, such as myself, would not be supportive of a left wing movement, any more than you could support a right wing movement? Climb off that high horse, Sam, before you fall off.

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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    The NYCGA are the fathers of the movement shouldnt their opinions matter I mean there would not be an OWS if it were not for them.
    The NYCGA are NOT the fathers of the movement...they are merely the first of the useful idiots. You'll have to look elsewhere for those that originated OWS.

    As I said in a previous post:

    Originally Posted by Wake
    I have heard that the OWS is not against capitalism at all, though I have seen many OWS groups and signs that indicate they are indeed against capitalism. What is the truth? Are they against capitalism or not? I wuld reason that during their earlier days they came to protest against businesses and corporations, which are all a part of capitalism. What do you think about this? I see OWS members on YouTube chanting against the crimes of capitalism while holding their signs that reflect their belief.
    If you are referring to the useful idiots in the parks...who knows and who cares?

    If you are referring to those who started this whole shebang...of course they are.
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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Is there something particularly surprising or offensive that a right winger, such as myself, would not be supportive of a left wing movement, any more than you could support a right wing movement? Climb off that high horse, Sam, before you fall off.
    No.

    What's offensive is that instead of using your intelligence to look at all the difference aspects of any political movement you decide to lump it into either one broad category or another broad category without considering that there may be political ideologies that defy both those categories.

    But the person who should be most offended by you doing that is yourself because you can be smarter than that.
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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Or maybe you are just unable to understand nuance.

    The 99% are protesting the fact that 1% owns the most wealth in our nation and they are against the undue influence that the financial institutions exert over our government institutions.

    So who makes up these OWS protesters? A number of different type of people.

    * College students, who are deeply in debt trying to get an education to help them get a job but requires them to get so deep in loans that their salary or wages can't realistically pay back.

    * The elderly, who rely on government assistance to live after they've become too old to earn money in the work force.

    * Socialists, who see the growing gap in wealth as damaging to our country and seek to use the government to implement policies to lessen that gap in wealth so all Americans can enjoy a better standard of living.

    * Anarchists, who government institutions as immoral authorities over people that inherently become tools of economic elites and therefore prefer a society without any government institutions that can intrude on the individual liberties and freedoms of the people.

    So on one hand we have socialists who want to use government authority to protect their economic interests and on the other hand we have anarchists who want to prohibit government authority to infringe on anyone's economic interests.

    So if that's the case then how could they possibly come to a single solution?
    Those are the type of thing that make up an platform. Are political parties not unified because they have multiple ideals that they promote?

    BTW correction the protesters are not the 99% they are only a portion of the 99%. More specifically the protesters are from the Left. Prove me wrong but there is no one on the Right that supports the occupy movement.

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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    The NYCGA are NOT the fathers of the movement...they are merely the first of the useful idiots. You'll have to look elsewhere for those that originated OWS.

    As I said in a previous post:
    Really? and where would I look for these people? If you have some link that sheds some light on this subject dont by shy share it.

    BTW I do have theories on who and what is behind the recent Leftist movements but I have nothing concrete to share. So any input you have would be appreciated. Because it is obvious that this is an organized attack on America IMO.

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    Re: Is the OWS against Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Those are the type of thing that make up an platform. Are political parties not unified because they have multiple ideals that they promote?
    No, those are not the things that make up a platform. What I listed were just a few of the constituent groups of the OWS movement, and each constituent group has their own belief separate from the beliefs of the other constituent group.

    And, yes, political parties have multiple ideas. But the various groups within OWS may have conflicting ideas that prevent it from being what you would call a third party.

    As I stated before, some groups that have associated with the OWS are socialists and anarchists. Socialists seek to use government as a tool for various policies. Anarchists seek to eliminate government altogether for various reasons. These means that the multiple ideals that socialists and anarchists have are incompatible with each other for them to unite as a single political party.

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    BTW correction the protesters are not the 99% they are only a portion of the 99%. More specifically the protesters are from the Left. Prove me wrong but there is no one on the Right that supports the occupy movement.
    Just because a group is not of the Right does not necessarily mean that it is also of the Left.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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