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Thread: UHC vs Privatized Care

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    Re: UHC vs Privatized Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I want universal health care.

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    IMO, your chart, Kandahar, shows why, and who are against UHC (affordable health care).
    Our medical profession (greed) and their supporters (ignorance).
    Hopefully they are in the minority.

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    Re: UHC vs Privatized Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    Universal coverage provides the widest risk pool for the lowest cost.
    That is lowest cost per person covered. But, if we dumped the non-payers at the curb and had a private but uniform health insurance system providers (e.g. using identical claim codes and forms) we would have a lower total cost system.

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    Re: UHC vs Privatized Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I'm in favor of that.
    If we focused our government insurance things on those most likely to get sick or injured and left the rest to the market, if would work well.
    It won't cheapen anything. That just means the government has to cover the riskiest bunch, meaning your insurance may drop (but not much since emergency rooms will still be abused) but your taxes will spike.
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    Re: UHC vs Privatized Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    Socialism for health insurers. With hugely reduced risks and costs, they will be raking in the profits while doing less for fewer people.
    That's not the goal though.
    The goal is to make sure that the real "lesser among us" have the ability to be covered for their chronic and expensive conditions.

    I don't see you getting too upset when doctors, nurses, other health care professionals are earning a profit.
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    Re: UHC vs Privatized Care

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    It won't cheapen anything. That just means the government has to cover the riskiest bunch, meaning your insurance may drop (but not much since emergency rooms will still be abused) but your taxes will spike.
    Erm no.
    See right now, in order for those risk groups to get covered, they generally have to draw a check, which also means they're restricted from working.
    Some of them just want medical coverage.

    I thought the whole purpose of social programs was to take care of the needy?
    Why are we now rejecting it?
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    Re: UHC vs Privatized Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    That's not the goal though.
    The goal is to make sure that the real "lesser among us" have the ability to be covered for their chronic and expensive conditions.

    I don't see you getting too upset when doctors, nurses, other health care professionals are earning a profit.
    Hiving off the expensive chronic conditions is a gift to the insurers. You don't see me getting upset because I made no comment to provoke your strawman slur.
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    Re: UHC vs Privatized Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    Hiving off the expensive chronic conditions is a gift to the insurers. You don't see me getting upset because I made no comment to provoke your strawman slur.
    So, having a single payer system is guaranteeing profits for hospital staff and their servicers.
    Why only go after insurers?

    Seems to me your outrage is selective.
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    Re: UHC vs Privatized Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    Hiving off the expensive chronic conditions is a gift to the insurers. You don't see me getting upset because I made no comment to provoke your strawman slur.
    That's true. And it allows them to make more profit without the major part of the risk. And the risk with the gocvernment would be, much as it is now, heavier and less able to be effective. What works is to have a diverse popualce of well peopel and needy people. This spreads the risk, cost and profit much more evenly and allows less bruden overall.

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    Re: UHC vs Privatized Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    That's true. And it allows them to make more profit without the major part of the risk. And the risk with the gocvernment would be, much as it is now, heavier and less able to be effective. What works is to have a diverse popualce of well peopel and needy people. This spreads the risk, cost and profit much more evenly and allows less bruden overall.
    You talk as if we don't already do this.
    The fact is we do cover the chronically ill and disabled, typically through government.
    The problem is, that to qualify, you have to usually draw a check and have enough "credits."

    What I'm proposing is that, you do not have to draw a check and you do not need X credits in order to get government coverage for your disability.
    The only other option for disabled people, is to draw a check under the SSI system, which generally restricts them to a life of poverty and social welfare, based on the program rules.

    Obama has slightly and inadvertently "softened" this, with the Medicaid provisions in the Health Care bill, but it is not enough to actually fix what is wrong with our system for the disabled/chronically ill.
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    Re: UHC vs Privatized Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    You talk as if we don't already do this.
    The fact is we do cover the chronically ill and disabled, typically through government.
    The problem is, that to qualify, you have to usually draw a check and have enough "credits."

    What I'm proposing is that, you do not have to draw a check and you do not need X credits in order to get government coverage for your disability.
    The only other option for disabled people, is to draw a check under the SSI system, which generally restricts them to a life of poverty and social welfare, based on the program rules.

    Obama has slightly and inadvertently "softened" this, with the Medicaid provisions in the Health Care bill, but it is not enough to actually fix what is wrong with our system for the disabled/chronically ill.
    Yes we do this now, and badly. Largely because of the reasons I listed. As long as government only deals with the most needy, without benefit of having healthy people offsetting costs, the system will continue to struggle.

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