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  • I live in a country with UHC and I would never want privatized-only medicine

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  • I live in a country with privatized-only medicine and I want UHC

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  • I live in a country with privatized-only medicine and I would never want UHC

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Thread: UHC vs Privatized Care

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    Re: UHC vs Privatized Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Well see, most people would characterize the U.S. as a majority privatized system, but a majority of medical spending in the U.S. comes from public sources.
    Is the U.S. a private or public system?
    I do not consider the United States to be a country with UHC. For me, the word "universal" symbolizes all - and not everyone in the US has health care. The day that anyone in the US - foreign or domestic, poor or rich, young or old - can get health care without having to show ID first, then we'll be a UHC country.
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    Re: UHC vs Privatized Care

    I am in favor of UHC.

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    Re: UHC vs Privatized Care

    This a false dichotomy. UHC with a private option can and does exist. It's The model that I am in in favor of. Utilizing the positives both the private and public systems is the key to building a high quality system.

    Btw KSU, it is 16.7 or 1/6 people that are currently without coverage, but this number is decreasing. If you want to play a numbers game, we can play a numbers game.

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    Re: UHC vs Privatized Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Stewart View Post
    This a false dichotomy. UHC with a private option can and does exist. It's The model that I am in in favor of. Utilizing the positives both the private and public systems is the key to building a high quality system.

    Btw KSU, it is 16.7 or 1/6 people that are currently without coverage, but this number is decreasing. If you want to play a numbers game, we can play a numbers game.
    The options never say a private option can't exist. Read them again.
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    Re: UHC vs Privatized Care

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    I do not consider the United States to be a country with UHC. For me, the word "universal" symbolizes all - and not everyone in the US has health care. The day that anyone in the US - foreign or domestic, poor or rich, young or old - can get health care without having to show ID first, then we'll be a UHC country.
    Since hospitals do not and cannot deny sick people, I do consider the US to be a country with UHC. Furthermore, Medicare is essentially universal health care for old people.
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    Re: UHC vs Privatized Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Since hospitals do not and cannot deny sick people, I do consider the US to be a country with UHC. Furthermore, Medicare is essentially universal health care for old people.
    That's not even true. Hospitals can and do deny sick people. I think you are mistaking having a life-threatening emergency with being sick. They will stabilize you and send you on your way for better or worse.
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    Re: UHC vs Privatized Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    That's because in most other nations, private health insurance companies have to compete with public insurance...and in most countries the private plans are tightly regulated anyway.
    I like to see some supporting evidence for that last part.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    The US has by far the least regulated health care market in the developed world...and is also by far the most expensive/wasteful.
    Expensive and wasteful can have many reasons, seems to me you're lumping the blame on the lack of government regulation.
    Need proof.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I'm not opposed to a dual-tier health care system. An important distinction though: Switzerland and Singapore have universal health care, whereas the United States does not. Additionally, Singapore tightly controls costs which is why it's able to get such good results (along with a generally healthier lifestyle than Western nations). As for Switzerland...well, it's better than the United States by quite a bit, but you did manage to find the second-most inefficient system in the developed world.
    Actually all Americans are entitled to, at least emergency care, so we do have universal access.


    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Whether a health care system is single-payer, dual-tier, or something else is an important distinction, but that distinction pales in comparison to whether or not UHC exists at all.
    We have a type of UHC though.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    If countries with totally dysfunctional political systems like Italy and Greece are able to reign in their health care costs with a universal health care system, I'm pretty confident that we can too.
    Don't be too confident, we haven't been able to reign in Medicare yet.
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    Re: UHC vs Privatized Care

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    I do not consider the United States to be a country with UHC. For me, the word "universal" symbolizes all - and not everyone in the US has health care. The day that anyone in the US - foreign or domestic, poor or rich, young or old - can get health care without having to show ID first, then we'll be a UHC country.
    I think you guys are going too far.
    We need some levels of support to "fix" our system but not everyone wants a government system, nor do they want to pay additional taxes for it.
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    Re: UHC vs Privatized Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    I want high risk individuals out of private risk pools.
    I'm in favor of that.
    If we focused our government insurance things on those most likely to get sick or injured and left the rest to the market, if would work well.
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    Re: UHC vs Privatized Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I'm in favor of that.
    If we focused our government insurance things on those most likely to get sick or injured and left the rest to the market, if would work well.
    Socialism for health insurers. With hugely reduced risks and costs, they will be raking in the profits while doing less for fewer people.
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