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    Re: Which is more important?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    yes.


    also.



    duh.





    "Freedom" =/= "you have the ability to do anything you want to"
    Yawn. Straw men all day.
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    Re: Which is more important?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Americans have freedom. However, if they don't use that freedom to attend to their own needs by securing the finances necessary to survive, freedom in itself becomes less important than survival. As I've previously said, without financial security... i.e. the means to support oneself... the only freedom left is starvation, homelessness, and welfare.
    well (speaking generally), I guess since you are free, you should go about securing those things.

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    Re: Which is more important?

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Yawn. Straw men all day.
    check his next post about 'limits'.

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    Re: Which is more important?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    well (speaking generally), I guess since you are free, you should go about securing those things.
    Actually, I spent my entire life doing just that. If I hadn't, now that I am disabled, the only freedom I would have is the freedom to die in a gutter.

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    Re: Which is more important?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    check his next post about 'limits'.
    You mean how he feels that if someone isn't even able to get off of the first level of Maslow's hierarchy then they are not really free?
    Ted Cruz is the dumbest person alive.

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    Re: Which is more important?

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Which is in the preamble the "general welfare" comes just before the "blessings of liberty".
    Oh here go again.

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    Re: Which is more important?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    "Freedom" =/= "you have the ability to do anything you want to"
    Why does it matter if the reason you can't do what you want because of an oppressive government or a lack of money? The practical outcome is the same, and in both cases all that exists is the possibility that you'll overcome your obstacle in the future.
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    Re: Which is more important?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Why does it matter if the reason you can't do what you want because of an oppressive government or a lack of money? The practical outcome is the same, and in both cases all that exists is the possibility that you'll overcome your obstacle in the future.
    Practical outcome is not the same. The one you can change it, the other you can not. The one there is still freedom, while the other their just isn't. Are you usually this dishonest?

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    Re: Which is more important?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Practical outcome is not the same. The one you can change it, the other you can not.
    Lack of money - Change it by earning more money
    Oppressive government - Change it by overthrowing your government

    In both cases the potential exists for you to overcome your obstacle in the future. But in neither case are you able to pursue your goals NOW.

    The one there is still freedom, while the other their just isn't.
    Nope, there isn't freedom in either case.

    Are you usually this dishonest?
    News flash: I'm smarter than you are. The fact that you can't dispute my points is no reason to get an attitude.
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    Re: Which is more important?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Actually, I spent my entire life doing just that. If I hadn't, now that I am disabled, the only freedom I would have is the freedom to die in a gutter.
    even Milton Friedman argued (and the vast majority of conservatives agree) that there are two groups that shouldn't be tossed into the "animating contest of freedom": children, and the truly disabled.

    but, given that we live in a knowledge economy, and that you appear pretty knowledgeable on here, i find it difficult to believe you would find yourself utterly without prospects.

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