View Poll Results: Which is more important?

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  • Freedom

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  • Financial Security

    9 16.98%
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    Re: Which is more important?

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    I was wondering what you think is more important. You can only pick one, so which is it? Don't cop out and say you want both, you can only pick one.
    How is one to answer this? It's like saying you can have either freedom or toilet paper.

    People undoubtedly want both and so to choose between either/or is impractical.

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    Re: Which is more important?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    can you truely have freedom without finanacial security?
    They have nothing to do with each other. Only someone that truly doesn't understand freedom will say they are connected.

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    Re: Which is more important?

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    No they are not mutually exclusive. If you are not capable of being financially independent, then you are not free to be independent.
    They are mutually exclusive. Just because you don't have the capability to do something doesn't mean you aren't free to do it.

    Or what ksu_aviator said.

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    Re: Which is more important?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    How is one to answer this? It's like saying you can have either freedom or toilet paper.

    People undoubtedly want both and so to choose between either/or is impractical.
    Your mistake is not separating yourself from the equation.

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    Re: Which is more important?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Your mistake is not separating yourself from the equation.
    And what are you trying to tell me, Henrin?

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    Re: Which is more important?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    They have nothing to do with each other. Only someone that truly doesn't understand freedom will say they are connected.
    I think I understand freedom. Which is why I referenced Maslow. I have to have mimimal needs met before I can even think freedom. If I'm too worried about survival, I am not free. In fact, freedom won't even be a consideration.

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    Re: Which is more important?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    can you truely have freedom without finanacial security?
    I thought the same thing, but in reverse: Can you have financial security without freedom? If you're not free (to do what you want with you finances, for example - other people making decisions FOR you) how secure can you have any real security?

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    Re: Which is more important?

    You can only conceivably have freedom under socialism. Under capitalism you are a slave to bosses and chance. What security could there passibly be under this crazy system?

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    Re: Which is more important?

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    I was wondering what you think is more important. You can only pick one, so which is it? Don't cop out and say you want both, you can only pick one.
    I fail to see how the two are mutually exclusive. At all. If anything, financial security PROVIDES for freedom of action.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

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    Re: Which is more important?

    Freedom allows for opportunity of financial security. Without freedom, without the right to choose your own path in life, you could never be 'secure' financially.

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