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    Re: Which is more important?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    I choose money. That is the best choice. What is the worth of freedom when you are begging in the streets? You have blown out your knee. You are suffering. You are miserable. You have no insurance. You cannot afford insurance. You cannot afford surgery to repair the ligament. You cannot work. Despair hits you so hard you can neither think nor sleep. You think freedom is always the best answer, eh? Think about your survival. Freedom isn't worth spit when you're living yet dead. Think.
    And yet financial freedom is hard to come by with Big Government raping everyone's wallet.
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    Re: Which is more important?

    Quote Originally Posted by evanescence View Post
    And yet financial freedom is hard to come by with Big Government raping everyone's wallet.
    I am left to choose between either freedom or money. If I am to sacrifice freedom, I will have much money to secure me and my family.

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    Re: Which is more important?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    I am left to choose between either freedom or money. If I am to sacrifice freedom, I will have much money to secure me and my family.
    No you wouldn't. Since when has sacrificing liberty ever been a good thing? Give me a single example.
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    Re: Which is more important?

    Define the level of freedom vs the level of financial security?

    If it was a choice of being free (level of freedom in the US today) vs financial security as expressed by the security offered in most western european countries and the freedom they have, it would generally be a non issue. The vast majority would not see a difference in the level of freedom. Nor would the vast majority see a difference in their financial security. If it was the freedom offered by living in Somali (in a famine currently) or the security of living in say Belorussia, I woud choose Belorussia

    Freedom means little if you die of starvation, financial security means little if it can be taken from you at a whim by the powers that be
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    Re: Which is more important?

    Quote Originally Posted by evanescence View Post
    No you wouldn't. Since when has sacrificing liberty ever been a good thing? Give me a single example.
    Tell me, since when has being in poverty been a good thing? I would rather live in financial security with little freedom, and feed my little ones, than live in freedom, and suffer miserably. Do you have health insurance, Eva? If you don't, just imagine the hell of twisting and snapping bones. Do you take any meds? What if you have such freedom yet cannot find a job? What do you do? Resort to thievery? Feeding my family is a good example of sacrificing freedom for money.

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    Re: Which is more important?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    How? Are you thinking about, say, living in a forest somewhere, foraging for your own food... that kind of thing?
    Unless there are laws restricting movement or thought, then you can truly have freedom without financial security... the poorest person in the world is capable of this. Financial security enables more choice but nothing more. A poor person is just as free as a rich person in every sense of the word.
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    Re: Which is more important?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Tell me, since when has being in poverty been a good thing? I would rather live in financial security with little freedom, and feed my little ones, than live in freedom, and suffer miserably. Do you have health insurance, Eva? If you don't, just imagine the hell of twisting and snapping bones. Do you take any meds? What if you have such freedom yet cannot find a job? What do you do? Resort to thievery? Feeding my family is a good example of sacrificing freedom for money.
    The choice was not financial security or starving to death... it was between financial security and freedom. With freedom you can still have money. Without freedom you can't truly have financial security since you lack the freedom to actually be secure.
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    Re: Which is more important?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Unless there are laws restricting movement or thought, then you can truly have freedom without financial security... the poorest person in the world is capable of this. Financial security enables more choice but nothing more. A poor person is just as free as a rich person in every sense of the word.
    Being free to move without the means to do so means little.

    Freedom without the means to actually use it is useless
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    Re: Which is more important?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Being free to move without the means to do so means little.

    Freedom without the means to actually use it is useless
    Again the argument is not about having freedom or being a slave. Poor free people are free to do whatever they want just as those that are financially stable. Having all the money in the world and not having the freedom to be able to spend it is doesn't work.
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    Re: Which is more important?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Again the argument is not about having freedom or being a slave. Poor free people are free to do whatever they want just as those that are financially stable. Having all the money in the world and not having the freedom to be able to spend it is doesn't work.
    Poor people are not free to do what ever they want.

    The lack of means is restricting that freedom. A poor person can not go and fly to Paris if they do not have the money to do so. A rich person could. The freedom to buy a meal does not mean much if you do not have the money to buy it
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