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  • Financial Security

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    Re: Which is more important?

    I haven't read all ten pages and want to say this upfront. But in response to the initial question, my gut answers "Freedom." With freedom, anything is possible whereas financial security will always be ephemeral.

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    Re: Which is more important?

    Liberty over money all day long!
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    Re: Which is more important?

    Quote Originally Posted by stsburns View Post
    Liberty over money all day long!
    That's gonna be a long day begging on the corner, dude.

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    Re: Which is more important?

    I chose freedom, but freedom is a pretty broad word. Freedom from tyranny? Freedom from social pressure? Financial freedom? Anarchy?

    The word security in financial security is pretty interesting, too. How many people truly have financial security? Most just have a financial level they get used to. How much is secure? How little can you get used to (or at least get by on)? How much freedom do I have to trade to get secure? No one willingly trades all of their freedom for financial security. However, everyone is willing to trade a little bit of freedom (I go to work or I give my word in an exchange of goods).

    The free man isn't by all interpretation truly free. We all have needs - in the hypothetical would freedom include being free from these needs? We all put constraints upon ourselves - family, fellow man, etc. Can a father be free from his responsibility to his children? Can a man be free from his word given?

    Freedom requires some order - can my family be free if choosing to walk down the street means they may be robbed or killed? All choices have consequences.

    In the hypothetical, I picture myself breaking out of my shackles and forging a life for myself based on my own strength and wit.

    In reality, all men (who are not literally physically bound) are at some level free - they can choose submission or not. What they choose to submit to and the reasons they choose to submit are up to them.
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    Re: Which is more important?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    two reasons:

    1. this is debate politics.
    2. it is much easier and can be left almost completely up to the individual to attain the second. not so the former. "go get a job" is a qualitatively different statement than "overthrow your government", and to pretend the two are comparable is ludicrous.

    when you have freedom, you can secure for yourself wealth with which to exercise it. when you lack freedom (as the nKorea example demonstrates), you cannot secure for yourself those things, but are dependent upon your tyrant.
    I wonder why we have poor then? I mean what's the appeal to those who want to be poor around the world?

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    Re: Which is more important?

    I'm curious why "financial" wasn't also appended to freedom .. or why it wasn't omitted from security.

    Regardless, freedom and security are yin and yang forces. When they become somewhat imbalanced for too long, bad things happen, then measures are often taken to restore the balance .. and the more imperative the perceived need to restore the balance, the more relatively extreme the measures to restore the balance can become.

    It is good to respect both freedom and security .. and true wisdom knows when just a dash of one is momentarily appropriate, subsequently soon allowing the other to catch up.

    Sadly, however, idealogues always favor one greatly over the other, almost no matter what the situation. We would do well to listen for these people .. and keep them out of office.
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    Re: Which is more important?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    can you truely have freedom without finanacial security?
    Yes... easily.
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    Re: Which is more important?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Yes... easily.
    How? Are you thinking about, say, living in a forest somewhere, foraging for your own food... that kind of thing?

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    Re: Which is more important?

    I'm not sure that freedom and financial security can be separated. And yet Franklin said it best:

    "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.
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    Re: Which is more important?

    I choose money. That is the best choice. What is the worth of freedom when you are begging in the streets? You have blown out your knee. You are suffering. You are miserable. You have no insurance. You cannot afford insurance. You cannot afford surgery to repair the ligament. You cannot work. Despair hits you so hard you can neither think nor sleep. You think freedom is always the best answer, eh? Think about your survival. Freedom isn't worth spit when you're living yet dead. Think.

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