View Poll Results: Obama says targeting citizens for wiretapping and assassination is ok. Do you agree?

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  • I support wiretapping, but not killing US citizens outside of due process

    1 2.44%
  • I opposed wiretapping when Bush did it and when Obama does it. Assassinations are even worse!

    12 29.27%
  • If you are an enemy of the US, citizenship doesn't matter. Kill em all

    23 56.10%
  • I opposed wiretapping when Bush did it, but it is ok now. So are assassinations.

    0 0%
  • Other, explain

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    Is Targeting Citizens Ok With You?

    This question is directed towards those who opposed wiretapping calls from US citizens to foreign terrorists under the Bush administration. Obama's lawyers have now declared that the United States will target US citizens if the executive branch considers those citizens to be at war with the United States. They also said that this decision must be made by the executive branch, not the courts.

    Obama has continued and expanded Bush's wiretapping program in addition to expanding US involvement in foreign wars and failing to close Gitmo.

    So after the intense level of anger and hatred for the Bush administration over wiretapping, here is the question: do you feel the same way about Obama?
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    Re: Is Targeting Citizens Ok With You?

    Quote Originally Posted by friday View Post
    This question is directed towards those who opposed wiretapping calls from US citizens to foreign terrorists under the Bush administration. Obama's lawyers have now declared that the United States will target US citizens if the executive branch considers those citizens to be at war with the United States. They also said that this decision must be made by the executive branch, not the courts.
    Wiretapping U.S. citizens, or anyone in the U.S., is fine - when the proper procedures, such as a warrant, are followed. That has always been the point. Nobody opposed wiretapping, just warrantless wiretapping. Did Obama continue this policy? If you post a link to what Obama policy you're referring to, that would help us decide.
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    Re: Is Targeting Citizens Ok With You?

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Wiretapping U.S. citizens, or anyone in the U.S., is fine - when the proper procedures, such as a warrant, are followed. That has always been the point. Nobody opposed wiretapping, just warrantless wiretapping. Did Obama continue this policy? If you post a link to what Obama policy you're referring to, that would help us decide.
    https://www.eff.org/press/archives/2009/04/05

    U.S. Tries to Make It Easier to Wiretap the Internet - NYTimes.com

    Obama's wiretapping stand enrages many supporters - The New York Times

    Obama expands Bush’s wiretapping program | Conservative Heritage Times

    Obama supports Bush's wiretapping program - Seattle Island County Conservative | Examiner.com

    Honestly, not surprised that isn't common knowledge.
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    Re: Is Targeting Citizens Ok With You?

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Wiretapping U.S. citizens, or anyone in the U.S., is fine - when the proper procedures, such as a warrant, are followed. That has always been the point. Nobody opposed wiretapping, just warrantless wiretapping. Did Obama continue this policy? If you post a link to what Obama policy you're referring to, that would help us decide.
    Obama lawyers: Citizens targeted if at war with US | www.wokv.com

    Here is his lawyers defending killing US citizens outside of due process if the executive branch deems them to be enemies of the state.
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    Re: Is Targeting Citizens Ok With You?

    Quote Originally Posted by friday View Post
    Honestly, not surprised that isn't common knowledge.
    I thought you were referring to some new policy that was breaking news.

    I personally oppose it when Obama does it as much as Bush, though I don't see this as exactly the same thing.
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    Re: Is Targeting Citizens Ok With You?

    The terrorism and security clauses have been incredibly abused in order to make the terrorism laws applicable to people who are protesting against the government.

    This latest law could theoretically label you a terrorist if you commit any act of violence against law enforcement that could be deemed terrorism. The Patriot Act has been stretched in similar ways.

    The wording of this new law does not seem to separate foreign combattants from citizens on U.S. soil. Make no mistake, this law is preparation for future civil unrest right here, not in the Middle East.

    I can't get over how fast rights are being eroded in our country. It seems to be accelerating.

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    Re: Is Targeting Citizens Ok With You?

    Quote Originally Posted by friday View Post
    This question is directed towards those who opposed wiretapping calls from US citizens to foreign terrorists under the Bush administration. Obama's lawyers have now declared that the United States will target US citizens if the executive branch considers those citizens to be at war with the United States. They also said that this decision must be made by the executive branch, not the courts.

    Obama has continued and expanded Bush's wiretapping program in addition to expanding US involvement in foreign wars and failing to close Gitmo.

    So after the intense level of anger and hatred for the Bush administration over wiretapping, here is the question: do you feel the same way about Obama?
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    Re: Is Targeting Citizens Ok With You?

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    I thought you were referring to some new policy that was breaking news.

    I personally oppose it when Obama does it as much as Bush, though I don't see this as exactly the same thing.
    The executive's privilege to declare war on US citizens without congressional or court approval and order their destruction certainly is a new policy. Unlike non-citizen, illegal foreign combatants, US Citizens do have fifth amendment constitutional rights. Now, if they are killed while in a caravan of Al Qaida foreigners on foreign soil, that is one thing. But the blanket statement from Obama's lawyers that the executive branch has the right to determine, apart from Congress or the courts, when a US citizen has declared war on the United States and then unilaterally order their destruction is very dangerous.
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    Re: Is Targeting Citizens Ok With You?

    if you have joined an enemy illegal army, and are actively planning and assisting plans to murder American civilians, and have become an important source of command & control for such operations against the USA....then you should be snuffed.

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    Re: Is Targeting Citizens Ok With You?

    This is the danger of a President who can't separate US Citizens from foreign unlawful combatants. He wants civilian trials in US criminal courts for Al Qaida foreigners, and the right to drop bombs on US Citizens outside of the due process of law if he deems them to be an enemy. That is completely backwards policy.
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