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    Re: Should earmarks/pork be permanently banned?

    Yes, why should blue states subsidize red states? Red states take too much money and never give back.
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    Re: Should earmarks/pork be permanently banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    So - if you don't want your representatives representing you and trying to help improve your district and state . . . then what do you want them to do?
    Focus their attention on dealing with our national debt and more urgent matters. Local projects should not be the priority of Congress. imo.
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    Re: Should earmarks/pork be permanently banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Dog View Post
    Focus their attention on dealing with our national debt and more urgent matters. Local projects should not be the priority of Congress. imo.
    Ok - so right now it's "not the time for that." I agree with that. This can be an example of the misuse of the system.

    But ever - always? . . . a bit much.
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    Re: Should earmarks/pork be permanently banned?

    You can't change the constitution. Congress has the power of the purse. Districts like representatives that can bring federal monies back home. A company that gets some federal funds or a contract can employ people, thus stimulating the local economy. People don't spend their salary exclusively in their districts.

    But every case is different. Let me say that again: Every case is different.

    Not all earmarks are bad.
    **Money that helps the district rebuild and regroup after a natural disaster.

    **Subsidies to a local business that is hiring labor as a town transitions from one industry to another.

    **Grants to a University that is on the verge of groundbreaking technology or medical advancement.

    No one likes the tit for tat type of spending. Congressman gets money or CONTRACTS for a local company. Local company gives congressman campaign funds... or hosts a fundraiser dinner. But we can expose this with rules that demand more transparency. Open the door to the closed room deal-making and let's find out why people change their votes. What did they get?

    This is the criteria for PORK outlined by Citizens Against Public Waste:

    Requested by only one chamber of Congress;
    Not specifically authorized;
    Not competitively awarded;
    Not requested by the President;
    Greatly exceeds the President’s budget request or the previous year’s funding;
    Not the subject of congressional hearings; or
    Serves only a local or special interest.


    Regarding 'local' interests--in some cases, these are national interests. For example: Defense contracts. New technologies. And, I believe that helping a community devastated by natural disaster is in the interest of our national character. Or retrofitting a school with the latest technologies.

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    Re: Should earmarks/pork be permanently banned?

    I would be more okay with having a limit to how many earmarks can be on a bill. There is good to having earmarks, but I think if we had a limit to them it would be more beneficial.
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    Re: Should earmarks/pork be permanently banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by soccerboy22 View Post
    I would be more okay with having a limit to how many earmarks can be on a bill. There is good to having earmarks, but I think if we had a limit to them it would be more beneficial.
    Why? Then you could just have a few bad earmarks rather than alot of bad ones.
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    Re: Should earmarks/pork be permanently banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Why? Then you could just have a few bad earmarks rather than alot of bad ones.
    Because I realize that they can be beneficial. What we need is more rules so that we weed out the bad ones for good ones.

    An example of a good one, is here in my district in SC we recieved federal money to rebuild our soccer fields and now the city league has grown, the select teams have a place to call home field, and an adult Sunday and Saturday league was started.
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    Re: Should earmarks/pork be permanently banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by soccerboy22 View Post
    Because I realize that they can be beneficial. What we need is more rules so that we weed out the bad ones for good ones.

    An example of a good one, is here in my district in SC we recieved federal money to rebuild our soccer fields and now the city league has grown, the select teams have a place to call home field, and an adult Sunday and Saturday league was started.
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    Re: Should earmarks/pork be permanently banned?

    I can't imagine any way to prevent selfish earmarks that wouldn't also stop legitimate expenditures. For example, money spent rebuilding a city after a natural disaster. How would the ban distinguish between that and a porkbarrel project?

    Edit: Should have read the second page. >_< I like most of Hazlnut's list. But again, something that serves a local or special interest can still be in the common interest. Sometimes a specific problem requires national focus.
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    Re: Should earmarks/pork be permanently banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by soccerboy22 View Post
    What we need is more rules so that we weed out the bad ones for good ones.
    Ah. That's different.

    An example of a good one, is here in my district in SC we recieved federal money to rebuild our soccer fields and now the city league has grown, the select teams have a place to call home field, and an adult Sunday and Saturday league was started.
    You realize that pretty much everyone who isn't in your district thinks that's a stupid, wasteful earmark, right? Why should the federal government be subsidizing a city soccer league?
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