View Poll Results: One of our healthcare cost problems appears to be EMTALA mandated care

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Thread: What should we do with emergency medical care, EMTALA

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    Re: What should we do with emergency medical care, EMTALA

    There are ways to assist people in affording private insurance, without that public option. The government would not be good at it anyway.

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    Re: What should we do with emergency medical care, EMTALA

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    On this subject:

    This morning (Saturday) my son woke up with his left eye swollen shut and oozing - obviously an infection that came on overnight.

    Where to take him? It's not an emergency but it isn't something I want to put off 'til his DR's office opens on Monday. . . I called around - couldn't find out where any such after-hours or walk-in clinic is. The only walk-in clinic is at Children's - in Little Rock which is 45 minuts away.

    You know: there are towns and even an Airforce base between here and there - not a single one has a clinic of this nature? If they do I can't find it listed, no one knows about them via phone calls.

    Not having clinics readily available or at least listed and advertised forces people to go to the Emergency Room whenever anything comes up.
    good point.

    put simply, we don't have enough doctors. we need more, and we need to make it easier to become one. there is absolutely no reason that existing doctors should have to pay $30k a year (minimum) to attend school or work 80 hour weeks. in fact, i don't want an exhausted doctor administering health care to me. the system is suffering from an artificially restricted supply. it has resulted in extreme inefficiency.

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    Re: What should we do with emergency medical care, EMTALA

    Quote Originally Posted by kamikaze483 View Post
    I think those types of reforms would be BETTER than what is currently proposed in Obamacare. My main concern with Obamacare is that I believe the best quality healthcare will be obtained in the private marketplace- and I think the provisions in the Obamacare bill hinder that market and will eventually result in a single payer system even though there are no provisions for that in the bill. The way that will play out is that the legislation is so burdensome (with requirements to insure people with pre-existing conditions, etc) that the current, market based health insurance system will collapse under the pressure... and then what do you think the governmental response to that crisis will be? To implement a federal single payer health care insurance program, which I still believe was always the end goal. I think there can be some federal intervention to close the equity gap- but I think that aid needs to supplement monies paid by the insured to a PRIVATE insurer. I think the goal should be to get everyone privately insured via incentive, rather than mandate. I posted a proposed plan in anothter thread that I believe would do exactly that, and at the same time halve taxpayers' healthcare spending and decrease the influence of the federal government (by means of repeal of exisiting legislation) rather than expand it. I linked below to that thread.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/health...post1059970523
    I read your earlier post. I research found that the average cost for an individual is about $250/month. For my wife and me we were spending about $936 a month for a good post-employment, subsidized by my employer, retiree plan. Requires copays for meds, etc., so a little more than $1000/month. I recall that you posted that someone got insurance for $100/month; OK so what does that indicate? So a large number and percentage of people arenít going to get health insurance even if they are more educated as to why they need it.
    Here is a clip from an old post of mine as an example of a family that needs to take your advice and get insurance: A Tea Party family was at the demonstration, father, mother and one 10 year old son; two more at home. My wife and I chatted with them. The father is a vet that started serving just after the Viet War ended. He was disposing of Agent Orange; which in our opinion may have been the source of his health problems. He had a heart attack about 6 months earlier. Went to the hospital where his wife works as a low level employee. What she said she does only pays low wages. They canít afford the extra for family health insurance, she was the only one insured since that canít be refused for more pay. His bill was about $90,000. Her wages were garnished by the hospital; itís only a small garnishment so it will take a very long time to pay it off. Again, they were there with a Donít Tread On Me flag and more
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    Re: What should we do with emergency medical care, EMTALA

    By choosing a very high deductible policy, you should be able to get a very affordable premium. As far as pre-existing, I think people who are uninsurable should be enrolled in Medicare. And by assisting with payment of dedutibles for people who can't afford it, the government would be insulating itself from having to pay the total bill by assigning (essentially) that risk to the private insurers. That is true insurance affordability- when the policy deductible is not as much of a concern for lower income.

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    Re: What should we do with emergency medical care, EMTALA

    Quote Originally Posted by kamikaze483 View Post
    There are ways to assist people in affording private insurance, without that public option. The government would not be good at it anyway.
    And yet it may still be better than what private insurance providers do.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: What should we do with emergency medical care, EMTALA

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    I get kind of tired of this response. Quite of a few conservatives think most of these issue can be reduced to a question of abuses reducing efficiency, when they can't be.

    The majority of people who go to the emergency room, and the most expensive to care for, need to be there to live and/or be functional in society. There's no easy way out of that. Similarly, the longevity of most appliers continuing reliance on unemployment benefits derive from the general lack of opportunities and the need to take a serious loss in assets and long term investments in order to pursue the remaining ones, not from laziness.

    Seriously, if reducing abuses could solve these problems, we would have done it already.

    Agree with Samsmart in spirit, but I would have to hear his reasoning on the sales tax first.
    Actually, she's right. My best friend works in a hospital and the ER is abused much more often than it is used (properly).
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    Re: What should we do with emergency medical care, EMTALA

    Quote Originally Posted by Frolicking Dinosaurs View Post
    My answer isn't on the poll. Implement universal healthcare so those who cannot afford care will have the option of not using ERs for primary care. ERs are absolutely the most costly way to render primary care, but the current US system leaves this as the only option for millions of people who make too much to qualify for medicaid, but don't make enough to afford health insurance.
    ^^ Yup. It will cheapen care because it will reduce that number drastically, and it will also make care preventive rather than reactionary.

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    Re: What should we do with emergency medical care, EMTALA

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    And yet it may still be better than what private insurance providers do.
    How could it be better, when the public option would end up replacing the private option, and the government would then be telling your doctor how to treat you?

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    Re: What should we do with emergency medical care, EMTALA

    We don't need EMTALA. What we need is universal health care. We'd save a lot of money, have better access to health care, and a healthier population as well.

    But, since we haven't yet joined the civilized world, we'd better keep EMTALA, or we'll have even more people dying of treatable illnesses and injuries. Moreover, the "no socialized medicine" voices won't be able to point to emergency room treatment and say, "See? We do have universal health care. Anyone can get patched together."
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    Re: What should we do with emergency medical care, EMTALA

    Quote Originally Posted by kamikaze483 View Post
    How could it be better, when the public option would end up replacing the private option, and the government would then be telling your doctor how to treat you?
    My experience is that you have got this backwards. My private insurance had me going to the Dr. that gave them the lowest quotes; he was the only one in their system. It was Medicare that discovered that he wasn't sterilizing and was reusing blades etc. And he was billing for more expensive procedures than were actually done. Many private insurance companies were using him. He lost his mansion on the lake and spent some time in jail thanks to the government. What is a private companies motivation anyway, quality care or low cost?
    And, recall I'm suggesting that people buy extra private coverage for stuff that is beyond what is considered basic standard care. If everyone got at least basic standard care the total cost of health care would be significantly less.
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