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Thread: To those against Obamacare -

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    Re: To those against Obamacare -

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    deadbeatism is deadbeatism and underpayment is underpayment. you are the one setting up some kind of free rider strawman, as though that is what we were arguing.
    No, I'm not. Either you don't understand what is being said, or you don't know the problem I speak to. Today, people get care they can't pay for. Unisured people have amjor injuries or illness and get treated. Working poor. Those bills don't get paid and those costs are pasted on to the rest of us. A banaid at a hosipital costs in excess of $10 when you can get a box for $2 or less. Hospitals are quite open about saying this is because they have to make costs for those who can't pay. Not having enough money is not equal to being deadbeat. And having the government pay somethig toward that bill, as under a UHC system everyone would have some coverage, is a net plus and not a minus.

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    Re: To those against Obamacare -

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, I'm not. Either you don't understand what is being said, or you don't know the problem I speak to. Today, people get care they can't pay for.
    wrong. people get healthcare they dont pay for, which is why our price system isn't functioning.

    Unisured people have amjor injuries or illness and get treated.
    and yet have access to healthcare, and the ability to pay for it.

    Working poor.
    have access to healthcare if they are earning enough, or access to medicaid if they don't.

    Those bills don't get paid and those costs are pasted on to the rest of us. A banaid at a hosipital costs in excess of $10 when you can get a box for $2 or less. Hospitals are quite open about saying this is because they have to make costs for those who can't pay. Not having enough money is not equal to being deadbeat.
    are you saying that the US Government is thereforenot a deadbeat because it underpays and forces hospitals to charge you ten bucks for a bandaid?

    And having the government pay somethig toward that bill, as under a UHC system everyone would have some coverage, is a net plus and not a minus.
    that is incorrect - you are attempting to solve the problem by doubling down.

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    Re: To those against Obamacare -

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    wrong. people get healthcare they dont pay for, which is why our price system isn't functioning.
    Yes, that is what I said. People get care and don't pay. Neither does government.

    and yet have access to healthcare, and the ability to pay for it.
    That is not univerisally true. You are largely mistaken.

    have access to healthcare if they are earning enough, or access to medicaid if they don't.
    Again, not univerially true.

    are you saying that the US Government is thereforenot a deadbeat because it underpays and forces hospitals to charge you ten bucks for a bandaid?
    Nope. This is something you're making up out of whole cloth. Perhaps you should read all the sentences together.

    that is incorrect - you are attempting to solve the problem by doubling down.
    Nope. That's your ideoalogy speaking and not anythign resembling fact or truth. Sorry.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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