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Boys Swimming on Girls Teams Find Success, Then Draw Jeers

Should sports be segregated by gender?

  • I feel there's no need to seperate genders, let them play co-ed

    Votes: 4 7.8%

  • Boys should play with boys, and girls with girls

    Votes: 20 39.2%

  • It depends on the sport

    Votes: 22 43.1%

  • other

    Votes: 5 9.8%
  • Total voters
    51
Aunt Spiker said:
Girls need protection too - I mean, it might seem freaking stupid. But they don't make female genetalia protection - if a cup is what you have than use a cup. It doesn't feel good getting clocked their for us, either.

Anyway :)
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true but she was made to wear a boy's cup. big difference. My wife is a red belt, I am familiar what ladies wear for sparing in kicking style martial arts
 
lpast said:
Im sure I am the minority on this and Im sure its because im older than most of you....but I really liked it when females were females and males males...and they didnt try to act and be like each other and somehow miraculously making them all equal with a wave of the hand.
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Well this isn't exactly dudes trying to be like girls. There's a law in MA that states girls and boys must have equal access to sports (guess which side of the isle that one came out of), there are schools that do not have boys swim teams because there are not enough boys to make a team. As such, they join the girls team. That's the situation.

If you're ok with girls playing on guys teams, then you must be ok with this. It's all "fair", yes?
 
OscarB63 said:
god forbid we actually admit that men, generally speaking, are physically stronger and faster than women. everybody's got to be "equal"
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I don't see anyone disputing that.

Ironically, there's a good chance that the boys can't have a team because of the Title 9 quota. This used to happen at my high school all the time.
 
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OscarB63 said:
god forbid we actually admit that men, generally speaking, are physically stronger and faster than women. everybody's got to be "equal"
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But women have a higher threshold for pain. So, if/when torture becomes an olympic event, it will be the men teeing off closer to the green.
 
Ikari said:
Well this isn't exactly dudes trying to be like girls. There's a law in MA that states girls and boys must have equal access to sports (guess which side of the isle that one came out of), there are schools that do not have boys swim teams because there are not enough boys to make a team. As such, they join the girls team. That's the situation.

If you're ok with girls playing on guys teams, then you must be ok with this. It's all "fair", yes?
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Im ok with either nor am I adamantly against it....I have 5 daughters and none of them played sports with the boys and all of them have grown up to be successful women...that do not take a backseat to anyone.
I think boys should be on boys teams and girls on girls for most sports...tennis...volleyball...no contact sports fine..or like diahana put it no in sports where males have a exceptional physical advantage.
 
lpast said:
Im ok with either nor am I adamantly against it....I have 5 daughters and none of them played sports with the boys and all of them have grown up to be successful women...that do not take a backseat to anyone.
I think boys should be on boys teams and girls on girls for most sports...tennis...volleyball...no contact sports fine..or like diahana put it no in sports where males have a exceptional physical advantage.
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As true as this may be, this is the law. They said equal access. Now mostly its for the people who want to get girls involved in the boys teams and do their little song and dance about being fair. Those same people are likely against boys being in girls leagues. For it is as you and others have said; boys have a physical advantage over girls. But this is what they wanted, this is unintended consequence they must bear.
 
lpast said:
Im ok with either nor am I adamantly against it....I have 5 daughters and none of them played sports with the boys and all of them have grown up to be successful women...that do not take a backseat to anyone.
I think boys should be on boys teams and girls on girls for most sports...tennis...volleyball...no contact sports fine..or like diahana put it no in sports where males have a exceptional physical advantage.
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men have huge advantages in volleyball (leaping ability) and tennis. That is why Jimmy Evert-a good HS player never lost to his sister-who was the world #1 and on everyone's list of top ten greatest women's tennis players in history

sports where there are no gender advantages

Olympic Dressage (equestrian)

rifle shooting (Colonel Margaret Murdock tied Lanny Basham in 3 position rifle in the 76 games-he won on a tiebreak) and there are several women who routinely win the long range rifle tournaments. (Nancy Tompkins and her daughters for example

Skeet shooting-a Chinese woman won the Open competition at the 88 games

of racquet sports, table tennis,-top women can hang with all but the very best men-unlike tennis or say squash where a good college male player will destroy Nicole David (current women's world #1). The boy who wins a big state's HS championship will beat the top women pros in tennis

in archery, women are shooting scores comparable to men at the Olympic distances when there is no wind when its windy-men-who pull around 46-52 pounds have an advantage over women pulling usually around 37 pounds
 
Interesting...

Personally, I think all competitions and placement tests should be based on merit, regardless of gender.

Instead of a gender-divided competition, have an ability-divided competition.


So in this case, the girls and boys that clocked the X:XX to X:XX 100m swim compete against other girls and boys of like ability.


And the slower swimmers compete against their like.

Of course the fastest will still be the fastest, and the most enduring the most enduring.

Apply the general idea as needed.
 
TurtleDude said:
true but she was made to wear a boy's cup. big difference. My wife is a red belt, I am familiar what ladies wear for sparing in kicking style martial arts
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They make them for girls? This is good to know - my kids are all in karate. Not sparring yet but soon we'll be there.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
They make them for girls? This is good to know - my kids are all in karate. Not sparring yet but soon we'll be there.
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They are harder to find than boy's-which are available at just about any sporting goods store etc
 
Aunt Spiker said:
Girls need protection too - I mean, it might seem freaking stupid. But they don't make female genetalia protection - if a cup is what you have than use a cup. It doesn't feel good getting clocked their for us, either.

Anyway :)
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Actually they do have a cup of sorts for girls.
 
misterman said:
The strongest woman may be stronger than the weakest man though. So let the compete and see. You're not afraid being beaten by a girl, are you?
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I get "beaten" (and blown) by girls on a regular basis...nothing to be afraid of.
 
hazlnut said:
But women have a higher threshold for pain. So, if/when torture becomes an olympic event, it will be the men teeing off closer to the green.
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meh. I'll put my male pain threshold of pain up against your female one any day (and yes I realize I am replying to a banned user)
 
Um... why was a dried up, year-old thread dredged up? Just askin'.
 
misterman said:
The strongest woman may be stronger than the weakest man though. So let them compete and see. You're not afraid being beaten by a girl, are you?
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And I have...thats life.....

The real man with have no problem with this.
A phony, one who thinks he is a "real" man, would be upset, the same as the so-called gent in the stands who has caused these problems...He was nothing more than a poor sport....a cry-baby...
 
Tigger said:
This has been all over the news around here (MA) for about a week now. It's utterly INSANE. I'm not a big fan of girls competing on boy's teams, but I understand that our society now demands that girls be allowed to do so. Personally, I think those girls deserve whatever abuse they get in doing so, but that's a separate issue. On the other hand, the idea that a GUY would even WANT to compete on a woman's team is utterly disgusting to me. Here in the Northeast there are YMCA swimming teams, and plenty of other opportunities (including the idea of merging schools to get enough boys for a team) for these boys to compete if they so desire. They do not need to debase themselves and disrupt the whole system like this.
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Hmmm, as a boy you would be disgusted around girls in swimsuits? I hadn't figured you leaned that way.
 
It depends if there is possibly parity or - for a team - and equal blend on both sides.

I can't begin to tell how many times big, tough, highly trained cops including trainer cops and even with notable military backgrounds including such as Army Ranger and even with Martial Arts Training have been surprised in being bested by my petite little wife on just about anything physical and certain physical skills related.

It depends on what the competition is for sports - and for any team activity to make parity (both ways) just requires an equal blending on both teams.
 
Now why did someone necro this thing...
 
misterman said:
The strongest woman may be stronger than the weakest man though. So let the compete and see. You're not afraid being beaten by a girl, are you?
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That's true, but generally in sports you are talking about the mean of a very high quality. The mean of the competitive class of male weightlifters, runners, or swimmers will be far superior to the mean of the mean of women in the same category. Allowing competition the argument goes, and appears evidenced in this article, dilutes the pool of women who could possibly compete and entrenches males in the sport.
 
StillBallin75 said:
To me it's not, but if the best woman can play better and harder than the "average man," why not let her play with the big boys? A player like Candace Parker can probably hold her own against many NBA bench-warmers.

I don't know why a guy would want to swim on a girls' team though.
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On the same token why wouldn't you let less able males from the NBA play in the WNBA?
 
I don't know, but I think this is silly. Men are better at some sports women at others. Males and females are built differently, so it would depend on the sport for the most part. The problem is in most female sports men would still dominate. So why should women have to compete at a level they can't ever win? I mean race car driving one thing, swimming is totally different and males would dominate.
 
In general and biologically even women and men are far better at certain things than the other. Taking care of children for example comes naturally to most women and men can do it, it just usually takes more work.
 
I think there's room for both coed and gender specific. Just about every team and individual sport. What's insane is that we spend so much on gender specific male sports.
 
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