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    Re: Boys Swimming on Girls Teams Find Success, Then Draw Jeers

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    nothing inconsistent at all. I have said that men are generally strong and faster than women. my view of the military standards is consistent with this. I really have no problem with the military setting lower standards for females to compensate for the fact that men are generally stronger and faster. just don't try to tell me we are "equal"

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    I take a course in college algebra and make a "B" in the class

    It would be foolish of me to claim that we are equal because we both made a "B" in "math"
    Well I aced all my mathematical studies

    But per strength: I don't think it's acceptable to have different standards - I think - in regard to military standards - they should be EQUAL in their strength and abilities. Not hair styles and every little detail - but where it matters most, yes.

    In general: when it comes to physical labor and the aspects related to it - if a woman wants to do the same job that is dominated by mostly men she should be able to DO the job without preferential treatment (etc). If she needs a back-up and an alternative plan for every job assignment then she needs to find a new job that's more suitable to her.

    Just like men: many men can't cut the military standard, either - and they just don't graduate basic or boot.
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    Re: Boys Swimming on Girls Teams Find Success, Then Draw Jeers

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    that's what I don't get, they already have a girls team. which means they are already footing the bill for facilities and coaching. how much more could it possibly cost the school to add a boys team? speedos are not that expensive
    This is why them not having two separate teams doesn't make much sense unless they're upset that they can't get enough guys to have a team for the relay races (which takes 4 swimmers) or the other schools do not have any guys wanting to compete. And neither of those things should mean putting boys on the girls' team, because they simply cannot fairly compete with each other when it comes to swim races.

    And these things could be very important for either the boys or the girls trying to get into college on a swim scholarship or to be on a college swim team. If one of the girls is just an awesome swimmer for a girl, but isn't able to win any heats and/or break any school records because one or both of the boys are coming in ahead of her time, even just barely, that could affect her getting into college, where they are going to separate the boys and girls. The same for if they are looking to compete outside of school (national competitions, the Olympics, etc.).
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    Re: Boys Swimming on Girls Teams Find Success, Then Draw Jeers

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Well I aced all my mathematical studies

    But per strength: I don't think it's acceptable to have different standards - I think - in regard to military standards - they should be EQUAL in their strength and abilities. Not hair styles and every little detail - but where it matters most, yes.

    In general: when it comes to physical labor and the aspects related to it - if a woman wants to do the same job that is dominated by mostly men she should be able to DO the job without preferential treatment (etc). If she needs a back-up and an alternative plan for every job assignment then she needs to find a new job that's more suitable to her.

    Just like men: many men can't cut the military standard, either - and they just don't graduate basic or boot.
    As I said before, the military PT test are not a measure for how a person can do a particular job or for determining whether they can do certain job assignments. The PT test is a measure of overall fitness for each individual participant. Since men and women are physically different, then the amount of exercises or the amount of time they do an exercise in will be different for both different sexes and different age groups to show how healthy each individual is.
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    Re: Boys Swimming on Girls Teams Find Success, Then Draw Jeers

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    As I said before, the military PT test are not a measure for how a person can do a particular job or for determining whether they can do certain job assignments. The PT test is a measure of overall fitness for each individual participant. Since men and women are physically different, then the amount of exercises or the amount of time they do an exercise in will be different for both different sexes and different age groups to show how healthy each individual is.
    which is true. the issue and my complaint comes when they use these scores to compare/evaluate one soldier against another without taking into account the differences in the standards.

    for many years, PT scores were used to help determine promotion points. the higher the score the more points you got added to your total. when the difference between getting promoted or not is a matter of 10-15 points, the lower standards for females gave them a decided advantage.
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    Re: Boys Swimming on Girls Teams Find Success, Then Draw Jeers

    It reminds me of the South Park where Cartman joins the Special Olympics thinking he will smash all of the handicapped children - but of course they are on steroids and he is fat so he loses. But, uh, yeah, men and women are built differently, so any physical sport should clearly be divided by gender.
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    Re: Boys Swimming on Girls Teams Find Success, Then Draw Jeers

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    It reminds me of the South Park where Cartman joins the Special Olympics thinking he will smash all of the handicapped children - but of course they are on steroids and he is fat so he loses. But, uh, yeah, men and women are built differently, so any physical sport should clearly be divided by gender.
    I think all teenage boys should be allowed to compete against the women in the lingerie football league
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    Re: Boys Swimming on Girls Teams Find Success, Then Draw Jeers

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Yeah - I'm siding with her. . . when you're in a sport that measures your personal abilities against other people's abilities - this just gives the boys a cutting edge that girls will never be able to beat purely based on their natural physical strength.

    It's not like football, wrestling or soccer where the nature of gender is less of a factor.
    Football doesn't measure your personal abilities against other people's abilities? Bull****. Wrestling? Bull****. Soccer? No one cares about soccer.

    All sports measure one's personal abilities against other people's abilities in direct, head to head competition. The wide receiver is competing with the corner. The O-Line is competing with the D-Line. Swimming and tennis, IMO, would have less "gender" affects than something such as football or rugby or sports of that nature. Baseball probably easier to integrate.

    In the end, this is the law is MA. They want to claim that these girls are having chances taken away from them because girls are not as athletic as guys; but the boys are having all athletic possibilities taken from them if they aren't allowed to swim because they have no swim teams. Is there a better solution? Likely there is. But we're not there. With luck they can all work something out; but for now the law is the law. A grown man insulting a boy because he wanted to swim and does well at it like the article points out...pathetic.
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    Re: Boys Swimming on Girls Teams Find Success, Then Draw Jeers

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    which is true. the issue and my complaint comes when they use these scores to compare/evaluate one soldier against another without taking into account the differences in the standards.

    for many years, PT scores were used to help determine promotion points. the higher the score the more points you got added to your total. when the difference between getting promoted or not is a matter of 10-15 points, the lower standards for females gave them a decided advantage.
    Our points are not put on our evals. The only thing that is put on our evals is P/F/W and if we got an Outstanding or possibly if you got an Excellent. I have definitely seen more guys get Outstandings and Excellents than women. Of course, there are more guys overall, so that should be the case.

    They may need to re-evaluate what scores should give certain points, but they should not be the same.

    Now, I do agree with equally, if not upping the women's sit-ups compared to the men's. Most women I know can do just as many situps, if not more, than the average man. Especially if she is generally fit and healthy.
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    Re: Boys Swimming on Girls Teams Find Success, Then Draw Jeers

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    I think all teenage boys should be allowed to compete against the women in the lingerie football league
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