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Thread: Boys Swimming on Girls Teams Find Success, Then Draw Jeers

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    Re: Boys Swimming on Girls Teams Find Success, Then Draw Jeers

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Should sports be segregated by gender?

    I think it should depend on the sport because of the fact men are generally stronger and can take more abuse than women.
    If you know the first thing about anatomy, you would know that this is NOT TRUE.
    But, if a girl wishes to compete on a boys team, then they must use the same same shower...
    That will put and end to this foolishness,,, I think......lol

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    Re: Boys Swimming on Girls Teams Find Success, Then Draw Jeers

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    If you know the first thing about anatomy, you would know that this is NOT TRUE.
    males generally have thicker bones and more muscle mass. now if we are talking about tolerance for pain...you may have a point.
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    Re: Boys Swimming on Girls Teams Find Success, Then Draw Jeers

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    you have to consider that, in swimming, the guys generally have wider shoulders and therefore create more drag that must be
    over come and they have a higher body mass that they have to pull through the water. and, as we all know...water is much less forgiving than is air.
    Well: I can't swim well so I really don't know

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    males generally have thicker bones and more muscle mass. now if we are talking about tolerance for pain...you may have a point.
    That's what I always believe - I was curious about that - so I read this article - yeah, it verifies what we all knew.
    http://www.medicinenet.com/script/ma...ticlekey=51160

    My only thought was to this:
    Those findings actually prompt as many questions as they answer. For instance, researchers want to know, what role does a woman's menstrual cycle play in her perception of pain? It must play some part, says Sherry Marts, scientific director for the Society for Women's Health Research in Washington, D.C. For example, she says, women know not to get their legs waxed right before their period because it is much more painful than at other times in their cycle.
    WTF? Women 'know how to wax before they're on the rag because it's more painful' - **** - the pain fairy didn't tell me that. News to me - science failed to inform, I'm suing.
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    Re: Boys Swimming on Girls Teams Find Success, Then Draw Jeers

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    No - he's pointing out that woman CAN and SHOULD be held to the SAME military standard - and I agree.
    Okay, I see that. But that's inconsistent with his views (as I recall them, I may be wrong) about athletics. Perhaps he should be calling for having two armies, one for men and one for women. Or perhaps military standards are irrelevant to this discussion.
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    Re: Boys Swimming on Girls Teams Find Success, Then Draw Jeers

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Well - technically: the men's standards were set first and women were expected to do less. They should never have set those differential-provisions.
    Agree. In the military, the standards should be equal. Or perhaps they should be set according to the specific job.
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    Re: Boys Swimming on Girls Teams Find Success, Then Draw Jeers

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    You could just end it instead.
    not possible
    at the age of emancipation they got to make their own decisions about such things
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: Boys Swimming on Girls Teams Find Success, Then Draw Jeers

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Okay, I see that. But that's inconsistent with his views (as I recall them, I may be wrong) about athletics. Perhaps he should be calling for having two armies, one for men and one for women. Or perhaps military standards are irrelevant to this discussion.
    nothing inconsistent at all. I have said that men are generally strong and faster than women. my view of the military standards is consistent with this. I really have no problem with the military setting lower standards for females to compensate for the fact that men are generally stronger and faster. just don't try to tell me we are "equal"

    analogy:

    you take a course in differential equations and make a "B" in the class
    I take a course in college algebra and make a "B" in the class

    It would be foolish of me to claim that we are equal because we both made a "B" in "math"
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    Re: Boys Swimming on Girls Teams Find Success, Then Draw Jeers

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Agree. In the military, the standards should be equal. Or perhaps they should be set according to the specific job.
    one good thing they finally did is admit the fact that women have a lower center of gravity and they raised the sit-up standards for the females to those of the males.

    they use the excuse for the push-ups that males have higher upper body strength and should therefore do more pushups. but they ignore the fact that the greater upper body strength is due to having a greater upper body mass that must be lifted while doing the pushup.
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    Re: Boys Swimming on Girls Teams Find Success, Then Draw Jeers

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    Its all about money, and civil rights legislation.

    Schools make the determination if they can afford to offer two teams for one sport. That's your case-by-case basis. Since they recieve federal funds, they have to abide by federal rules governing that money. Obviously, if you want your state/school to be unique, give the finger to federal money. But good luck finding someone not addicted to the teet.

    Civil Rights legislation doesn't have the ability to inject common sense, because the point of the legislation was to remove the individual's opinion on specific matters for the sake of certain identifying qualities.
    Not when it comes to high school swimming. If the boys are being allowed on the team, then there is enough money for any other boys to join as well. The only thing the school pays for in swimming is the coach, the pool (if they have their own or the school is funding the time at the one they use), training equipment (kickboards, floaters, weights, etc.), and transportation for meets. The school does not normally pay for swim suits or personal gear for swimmers. So if the boys are already on the team, then it would not cost the school any extra money to separate the two. It also would not cost other schools money to have boy's swimming team if they already have a girl's team. The only thing that is keeping boys from competing is the lack of interest of other boys to join the teams within the competing area.

    I swam on my high school swim team. Guys and girls practice together, but compete separately. And, it is easy to see why we compete separately once you are on the team. I had been swimming for years, but one of my guy friends joined because a few of his friends were on the team, besides just me, and he wanted to see the girls in bathing suits every day. He could not swim at all when he joined. The coaches had to teach him. By the end of the swim season though he was faster than most of the girls, including me. He was also over 6 ft tall, which makes a difference too in swimming. And we had the record times for men and women up in our pool. The guys' record times were all less than the girls' record times for each separate event.

    In team sports, girls should not get a position that they do not earn by being better than the guys trying out for that position. But when it comes to individual sports, men and women should compete separately.
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    Re: Boys Swimming on Girls Teams Find Success, Then Draw Jeers

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    this is one of the things that has always ticked me off about the military physical fitness test. I am nearly 50 years old, to get the same score as a female my own age, I must do 2.5 times as many push ups and complete the aerobic event much faster. so, even though I am much stronger and much faster, when evaluation time comes around and they look at our PT scores....we are considered "equal".


    my daughter, who is 25, is in our unit. we have been doing PT together since she was in HS. on our last PT test we did the same number of pushups and situps and we finished the aerobic event together.

    my score = 201/300
    her score = 273/300
    PT tests are a measure of overall fitness. They are supposed to be a measurement of how healthy each individual person is, not whether or not a person is able to perform certain tasks or do a certain amount of some activity. It is not gender discrimination to understand that men and women are not the same. It takes a man much more of certain activities, especially weight and speed activities, to show that they are healthy than a woman in those same activities. In other things (such as flexibility), the women should be outperforming the men to be at the same level of health.
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