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    Re: Boys Swimming on Girls Teams Find Success, Then Draw Jeers

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I don't know why a guy would want to swim on a girls' team though.
    in this case it is because there is no boys' swim team
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    Re: Boys Swimming on Girls Teams Find Success, Then Draw Jeers

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    in this case it is because there is no boys' swim team
    Oh, I didn't know that. Well in that case I don't see what the BFD is, kid just wanted to swim.
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    Re: Boys Swimming on Girls Teams Find Success, Then Draw Jeers

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Oh, I didn't know that. Well in that case I don't see what the BFD is, kid just wanted to swim.
    If they had two categories I wonder how many other guys would join. I think the guys by this time (30 years) have proven that they deserve at least that much and are worthy of the time and money for one.
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    Re: Boys Swimming on Girls Teams Find Success, Then Draw Jeers

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    i think you missed my point. males are inherently better at some things than are females, and females are inherently better at some things than are males. we should stop making such a big deal of it. no, boys and girls do not need to compete against each other, it's really kinda stupid. for example, who wants to watch a woman play a men's golf tournament and get the crap kicked out of her? what's her point?
    a rare instance in which we disagree
    title IX was intended to allow female students access to sporting activities which had historically not been girl friendly. it prevented society from formally discriminating against female students because of their gender

    look at Mina Johnson:
    Girl football player sits out game after foe threatens forfeit in Sports & Training Forum

    she is entitled to play football. and apparently she is playing at a high level ... her team was kicking ass
    but for title IX she would not be able to play

    this matter cuts both ways. if the girls can suit up and play with the boys then the boys should be able to undress and swim with the girls. or should they be discriminated against because of their male gender?



    that said, my son and i would have a very long talk if he decided he wanted to play a girl's sport
    but i also required my daughter to play in the boys basketball league when she first started out so that she was able to learn how to play competitively
    so, yes, i have to acknowledge my personal hypocrisy
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    Re: Boys Swimming on Girls Teams Find Success, Then Draw Jeers

    In my HS track team, the team was co-ed, but the heats weren't. How is a swim team any different? And aren't swim meets usually made up of several teams? So it's not like one team having a shortage of guys is going to drastically reduce the number of heats.

    Seriously, I have no idea why this is difficult at all to sort out.
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    Re: Boys Swimming on Girls Teams Find Success, Then Draw Jeers

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    In the article it points out that the boys have been competing with the girls since 1980 - and no one noticed because they weren't winning records for all this time until now.

    Maybe gender isn't the way to go for categories at all anymore, then - maybe they should rely on qualifying times . . . and blend all the categories based on that. The 'slow' racers - the 'medium' racers and the 'faster' racers since - apparently - not all boys are physically stronger and not all girls are physically weaker. . . improve your ability and go into the next category.

    This has sort of made me reconsider how we determine who's in and who's out.
    this is one of the things that has always ticked me off about the military physical fitness test. I am nearly 50 years old, to get the same score as a female my own age, I must do 2.5 times as many push ups and complete the aerobic event much faster. so, even though I am much stronger and much faster, when evaluation time comes around and they look at our PT scores....we are considered "equal".


    my daughter, who is 25, is in our unit. we have been doing PT together since she was in HS. on our last PT test we did the same number of pushups and situps and we finished the aerobic event together.

    my score = 201/300
    her score = 273/300
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    Re: Boys Swimming on Girls Teams Find Success, Then Draw Jeers

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    a rare instance in which we disagree
    title IX was intended to allow female students access to sporting activities which had historically not been girl friendly. it prevented society from formally discriminating against female students because of their gender

    look at Mina Johnson:
    Girl football player sits out game after foe threatens forfeit in Sports & Training Forum

    she is entitled to play football. and apparently she is playing at a high level ... her team was kicking ass
    but for title IX she would not be able to play

    this matter cuts both ways. if the girls can suit up and play with the boys then the boys should be able to undress and swim with the girls. or should they be discriminated against because of their male gender?



    that said, my son and i would have a very long talk if he decided he wanted to play a girl's sport
    but i also required my daughter to play in the boys basketball league when she first started out so that she was able to learn how to play competitively
    so, yes, i have to acknowledge my personal hypocrisy
    Well - what sports, per say, are 'girl sports' - Cheerleading is the only thing that comes to mind - but guys on teams is a necessity as how they have to toss and catch. Upskirt all day? **** - guys should line up for that

    The problem we're touching on, here - is that most sports have always been dominated by males. When girls have wanted to join there's usually no team (so they have to join the guy's team) or she just wants to play with the guys.

    If they've been willing to form girls teams in every sport to accommodate our growing interest in participation then they should do the same for the guys. I'm quite surprised that they didn't already have a guy's team for them to be on.

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    this is one of the things that has always ticked me off about the military physical fitness test. I am nearly 50 years old, to get the same score as a female my own age, I must do 2.5 times as many push ups and complete the aerobic event much faster. so, even though I am much stronger and much faster, when evaluation time comes around and they look at our PT scores....we are considered "equal".


    my daughter, who is 25, is in our unit. we have been doing PT together since she was in HS. on our last PT test we did the same number of pushups and situps and we finished the aerobic event together.

    my score = 201/300
    her score = 273/300
    I oppose their gender-differences standard ruling(s) as well. I think women should be held to the same standards as men are. . . which would equate in less females - but they'd be better than the present day female lot.

    Military isn't the place to cut slack and cowtow because of gender differences. . .females can still find their selves in front-line environments and thus should not EVER be a hindrance or burden if it's going to happen.
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    Re: Boys Swimming on Girls Teams Find Success, Then Draw Jeers

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    If they had two categories I wonder how many other guys would join. I think the guys by this time (30 years) have proven that they deserve at least that much and are worthy of the time and money for one.
    that's what I don't get, they already have a girls team. which means they are already footing the bill for facilities and coaching. how much more could it possibly cost the school to add a boys team? speedos are not that expensive
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    Re: Boys Swimming on Girls Teams Find Success, Then Draw Jeers

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Considered - but it wasn't a natural fact. Just like saying "all blacks are stupid" - when they've proven quite the opposite.
    I know. But suppose we found some physiological brain difference between males and females that made them different, like say we found that women have a smaller part of the brain for math, but a larger one for language? That's a physical difference, like athleticism, remember. Would that justify some policy keeping women out of math and men out of English, or whatever?

    (I am being devil's advocate here).

    But we're not talking about stereotypes and prejudices. . . we're talking about the recognition of physical attributes - which are different. It's a natural fact and only the more extreme 'femme nazi' types try to argue and prove otherwise.
    Well, you still have a problem, because while men and women are different in general, some women might be able to compete on the same level in some ways. And you don't know until you let
    them.

    Every personal-competition sport has gender-categories . . . they just need to catch up with the times.
    Some have both. I think maybe we should have both gender and mixed competitions. See what happens.
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    Re: Boys Swimming on Girls Teams Find Success, Then Draw Jeers

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    this is one of the things that has always ticked me off about the military physical fitness test. I am nearly 50 years old, to get the same score as a female my own age, I must do 2.5 times as many push ups and complete the aerobic event much faster. so, even though I am much stronger and much faster, when evaluation time comes around and they look at our PT scores....we are considered "equal".
    Huh? You're complaining that a male has to do more? It thought males were athletically superior?

    Or are you talking about age? Don't get the two mixed up now.
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