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    Re: Boys Swimming on Girls Teams Find Success, Then Draw Jeers

    difficult question. I would say that I wouldn't mind letting some of the best WNBA players into the NBA. God knows there's tons of scrubs who can't play in the league.
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    Re: Boys Swimming on Girls Teams Find Success, Then Draw Jeers

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The article clearly points out that there is no category for the boys.

    You can bet your boots that if the tables were turned, it would suddenly be taboo to complain about the girls being on the boys team.
    I re-read the article and it doesn't clearly state that - it's a bit muddled - but I think you're right.

    Apparently this has been going on since 1980 - now - good heavens - please give the boys their own category already Maybe MORE boys would show interest in the sport if they wouldn't be on a girl's team to participate? This seems senseless that they've ignored this for so long.

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    there's no shame in a woman not being able to compete physically with a man. i'd rather have the brains than the brawn anyway!
    Well yeah - I can't compete with the men either and If I ever joined a sport I wouldn't want to try because it would make me feel like my efforts were wasted.
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    Re: Boys Swimming on Girls Teams Find Success, Then Draw Jeers

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    there's no shame in a woman not being able to compete physically with a man. i'd rather have the brains than the brawn anyway!
    Sure, except for the fact that not long ago, women were also considered to be intellectually inferior to men as well, and not allowed to compete in the brain category either. So be careful what you wish for.
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    Re: Boys Swimming on Girls Teams Find Success, Then Draw Jeers

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Sure, except for the fact that not long ago, women were also considered to be intellectually inferior to men as well, and not allowed to compete in the brain category either. So be careful what you wish for.
    Considered - but it wasn't a natural fact. Just like saying "all blacks are stupid" - when they've proven quite the opposite.

    But we're not talking about stereotypes and prejudices. . . we're talking about the recognition of physical attributes - which are different. It's a natural fact and only the more extreme 'femme nazi' types try to argue and prove otherwise.

    Every personal-competition sport has gender-categories . . . they just need to catch up with the times.
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    Re: Boys Swimming on Girls Teams Find Success, Then Draw Jeers

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    difficult question. I would say that I wouldn't mind letting some of the best WNBA players into the NBA. God knows there's tons of scrubs who can't play in the league.
    when I was in jr high, there was a "girl" who played on our varsity basketball team. she was scary as hell. found out later that she was like that "female" runner who they couldn't tell if she was a she or a he.



    typically there are very few females who can compete on an even level with males in most physical sports. but your average male can easily compete with females in most of these same sports.

    I just don't see why it is such a big freaking deal to admit that men are generally bigger and stronger than women.
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    Re: Boys Swimming on Girls Teams Find Success, Then Draw Jeers

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    when I was in jr high, there was a "girl" who played on our varsity basketball team. she was scary as hell. found out later that she was like that "female" runner who they couldn't tell if she was a she or a he.



    typically there are very few females who can compete on an even level with males in most physical sports. but your average male can easily compete with females in most of these same sports.

    I just don't see why it is such a big freaking deal to admit that men are generally bigger and stronger than women.
    The bolded: it's not a big deal - that's why most competition sports like this have teams for the genders. I think you're presuming that we're all big bad 'femminists' and want every woman to be treated like every man - that's never been the case.

    I've never heard anyone decry that the gendered teams are 'wrong' and should be ended and blended.
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    Re: Boys Swimming on Girls Teams Find Success, Then Draw Jeers

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    when I was in jr high, there was a "girl" who played on our varsity basketball team. she was scary as hell. found out later that she was like that "female" runner who they couldn't tell if she was a she or a he.



    typically there are very few females who can compete on an even level with males in most physical sports. but your average male can easily compete with females in most of these same sports.

    I just don't see why it is such a big freaking deal to admit that men are generally bigger and stronger than women.
    To me it's not, but if the best woman can play better and harder than the "average man," why not let her play with the big boys? A player like Candace Parker can probably hold her own against many NBA bench-warmers.

    I don't know why a guy would want to swim on a girls' team though.
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    Re: Boys Swimming on Girls Teams Find Success, Then Draw Jeers

    Quote Originally Posted by herenow1 View Post
    I think it should be a case by case basis, but that would be too hard b/c people would have diferent opinions.

    Let's take wrestling as an example;

    If there is a female on the team and nobody has a problem with it, fine. If a boy doesn't want to wrestle a girl, should he be forced to wrestle her or ridiculed b/c he doesn't want to? What if there were an all girls wrestling team, and a boy decides to join. A boy that is better, bigger, and stronger. Is it fair to the opposing all girl team to have to wrestle a boy they know they can't beat?

    See, I believe that's why we as a nation started out with boy/girl only teams-to avoid all this confusion and controversy.
    Its all about money, and civil rights legislation.

    Schools make the determination if they can afford to offer two teams for one sport. That's your case-by-case basis. Since they recieve federal funds, they have to abide by federal rules governing that money. Obviously, if you want your state/school to be unique, give the finger to federal money. But good luck finding someone not addicted to the teet.

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    Re: Boys Swimming on Girls Teams Find Success, Then Draw Jeers

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Sure, except for the fact that not long ago, women were also considered to be intellectually inferior to men as well, and not allowed to compete in the brain category either. So be careful what you wish for.
    i think you missed my point. males are inherently better at some things than are females, and females are inherently better at some things than are males. we should stop making such a big deal of it. no, boys and girls do not need to compete against each other, it's really kinda stupid. for example, who wants to watch a woman play a men's golf tournament and get the crap kicked out of her? what's her point?

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    Re: Boys Swimming on Girls Teams Find Success, Then Draw Jeers

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    i think you missed my point. males are inherently better at some things than are females, and females are inherently better at some things than are males. we should stop making such a big deal of it. no, boys and girls do not need to compete against each other, it's really kinda stupid. for example, who wants to watch a woman play a men's golf tournament and get the crap kicked out of her? what's her point?
    In the article it points out that the boys have been competing with the girls since 1980 - and no one noticed because they weren't winning records for all this time until now.

    Maybe gender isn't the way to go for categories at all anymore, then - maybe they should rely on qualifying times . . . and blend all the categories based on that. The 'slow' racers - the 'medium' racers and the 'faster' racers since - apparently - not all boys are physically stronger and not all girls are physically weaker. . . improve your ability and go into the next category.

    This has sort of made me reconsider how we determine who's in and who's out.
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