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Thread: Boys Swimming on Girls Teams Find Success, Then Draw Jeers

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    Re: Boys Swimming on Girls Teams Find Success, Then Draw Jeers

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    That's not what I was disgusted about, though having seen some of the female swimmers in my day, they were nothing to write home about. What I was commenting on being disgusted about was the idea of competing against inferior competition becuase you're not willing to seek out appropriate opponents.
    and i would have thought you would have approved of a guy beating a girl ... even if not in the physical sense
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    Re: Boys Swimming on Girls Teams Find Success, Then Draw Jeers

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Women's basketball is a good example of why this happens. It's not that it is bad or anything, just no where near as exciting to watch. Some sports like swimming it would not really mater. A women's baseball league mite rock. It worked during WWII, so I assume it was good.
    It worked during WWII because those women had no issue in being made an object of while still playing a semi-serious game. Women now would expect to be taken seriously even though they suck at the sport. Or, the can go the other way to the extreme ie the Lingerie Football League. Look how popular the Lingerie Football League is now The novelty of chicks running around half naked gets old eventually and then viewers realize they are watching a horrible version of a good sport and turn an NFL or college game on.
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    Re: Boys Swimming on Girls Teams Find Success, Then Draw Jeers

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Interesting...

    Personally, I think all competitions and placement tests should be based on merit, regardless of gender.

    Instead of a gender-divided competition, have an ability-divided competition.


    So in this case, the girls and boys that clocked the X:XX to X:XX 100m swim compete against other girls and boys of like ability.


    And the slower swimmers compete against their like.

    Of course the fastest will still be the fastest, and the most enduring the most enduring.

    Apply the general idea as needed.
    That works great for swimming or any other individual sport. How are you going to measure football, baseball, basketball, etc? You can't.
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    Re: Boys Swimming on Girls Teams Find Success, Then Draw Jeers

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    I just await the cries from the hypocrites.

    when it's a girl wanting to compete on a boys team,, they are all squealing about equal rights and how it's not fair to keep a girl off the team. but when it's a guy wanting to compete on a girls team..equal rights seem to go right out the window and we hear the squeals of how it's not fair because the boys are bigger and stronger than the girls.

    If you are going to champion the cause of equality and scream that girls be allowed on boy's teams, then you need to STFU when the tables get turned and some guy wants to play on the girl's team
    Why do you expect hypocrisy? The problem here is less that the boy is swimming on the "girls" team, it's that the team is labeled a "girls" team when it is the school's only swimming team. Schools need to have boys AND girls teams, or unisex teams. I don't see any justification for any other arrangement.

    I generally think that if there is some compelling reason for boys and girls to be separated, it's fine. Boys and girls swim teams are fine with me, so long as there are indeed teams for both. Another way to do it might to be to have two teams, varsity and junior varsity, and have the qualifications be based exclusively on finishing times in tryouts. The latter option might get a school into a bit of PR trouble, but I don't think there would be anything legally wrong with it.
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    Re: Boys Swimming on Girls Teams Find Success, Then Draw Jeers

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    No - I don't approve of gender-blending for personal sports like that . . . only for team sports. I wouldn't want a girl to hold a record in a boy's category. She should compete against girls. It makes no sense that the boys can do it in the girl category Now: training together. . .ok - no big deal there.
    Wrestling is an individual AND a Team Sport.

    The individual efforts go to the teams complete score...but individuals can move onto regionals and states even if the team doesn't, individuals can get records in weight classes, etc.

    Just as a heads up in regards to that specific sport (Actually had two females on my team in High School)

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    Re: Boys Swimming on Girls Teams Find Success, Then Draw Jeers

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    and i would have thought you would have approved of a guy beating a girl ... even if not in the physical sense
    If she wants to come up and get her beatings from the boys on the boys team. that's fine. I don't really approve of it, but it's her decision to get her ass whipped time after time. On the other hand, if a guy has to go down to the girl's level to feel like they are capable of competing, or because they can't keep up with the guys, that's a totally different thing.

    As I say/do in the medieval combat activities I'm involved in..... "When you have a chance to pick your opponent in a tournament you pick the BEST/HIGHEST RANKED opponent available. Even when you know it's going to mean you lose the fight. There is no honor in beating an inferior opponent when a superior opponent was available to fight."

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    Re: Boys Swimming on Girls Teams Find Success, Then Draw Jeers

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    In general and biologically even women and men are far better at certain things than the other. Taking care of children for example comes naturally to most women and men can do it, it just usually takes more work.

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    Re: Boys Swimming on Girls Teams Find Success, Then Draw Jeers

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Yeah - I'm siding with her. . . when you're in a sport that measures your personal abilities against other people's abilities - this just gives the boys a cutting edge that girls will never be able to beat purely based on their natural physical strength.

    It's not like football, wrestling or soccer where the nature of gender is less of a factor.
    So double standard then.
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    Re: Boys Swimming on Girls Teams Find Success, Then Draw Jeers

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    So double standard then.
    I know this is an old topic - but that's just not fair. . . It's not fair to ensure someone has an unfair advantage regardless of adjustments to requirement times and everything else and to sequester everyone else to having no chance.

    I don't see why it's so offensive to just separate sometimes - do we need everything co-ed?
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    Re: Boys Swimming on Girls Teams Find Success, Then Draw Jeers

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    do we need everything co-ed?
    If you swing that door open, you must understand that it goes both ways. Don't open the can of worms if you don't want them slithering out. If girls can play on boys teams for whatever reason for their school, such as there is no girl's team or blah, then the opposite is also true.

    Maybe everything should be co-ed and then we can drive participation on pure competition of performance.
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