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Set up a state?

Would you set up your own independent state, if you have the chance?

  • Yes

    Votes: 10 35.7%
  • No

    Votes: 6 21.4%
  • Why bother?

    Votes: 6 21.4%
  • It's impossible

    Votes: 2 7.1%
  • It's possible

    Votes: 4 14.3%
  • I like things like they are

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • I don't care

    Votes: 2 7.1%
  • I don't know

    Votes: 2 7.1%
  • They won't let me

    Votes: 4 14.3%
  • I already have

    Votes: 5 17.9%

  • Total voters
    28

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At the end of the 18c there were approximately 300 sovereign states in Germany.
Since then we have seen large consolidation of power worldwide.

Would you set up your own independent state, if you have the chance politically, territorially and financially? :)
 
At the end of the 18c there were approximately 300 sovereign states in Germany.
Since then we have seen large consolidation of power worldwide.

Would you set up your own independent state, if you have the chance politically, territorially and financially? :)
I do not know.
I think I may be sliding toward "hermitism".
But, then the tax man comith, every day and every 6 months..
I am far from having the ability to establish my own state....and who is...???
 
I am far from having the ability to establish my own state....and who is...???

OK, so it could be a group of people, a party. :)
Aren't the Amish something like that?
 
i wouldn't mind having a nice big ranch someday. until then, i will work to improve my own state. there's always the option of moving to one that more closely resembles my own views, if it ends up bothering me enough. of course, that requires money, as well.
 
At the end of the 18c there were approximately 300 sovereign states in Germany.
Since then we have seen large consolidation of power worldwide.

Would you set up your own independent state, if you have the chance politically, territorially and financially? :)

No - it's difficult and they're less likely to thrive . . . as what happened with Germany's 300.
 
You would need permission from whatever state you wanted to have a chunk of and I doubt any state would be willing to give up land. Plus there are only a handful of people who could afford to run their own state.
 
I think my views are too broad to recruit enough supporters/logical dissidents to create a democratically run state.
I also have no desire to lead and/or take part in the arduous task of creating and implementing a government system, but my control issues wouldn't allow me to hand that task off, either.
I'm not nearly discontent enough with my current city/state/country to think that my only or best option is the creation of a new state.
I have no interest in being entirely defenseless against countries, regimes, or criminals who see value in my state and would seek a take-over.
I have no interest in paying high tariffs on items I cannot produce within my borders.

So no...probably wouldn't create my own state.
 
I would probably start by setting up a cult in a compound. Or maybe a commune. ity.
 
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You would need permission from whatever state you wanted to have a chunk of and I doubt any state would be willing to give up land.

How about if you buy the land fair and square?
After all, isn't self-reliability and self-governance part of the American tradition (considering that most of the US has German ancestry, I can see why. :) ).
 
Would you set up your own independent state, if you have the chance politically, territorially and financially? :)

If I had the political influence, land, and financial ability to set up my own state, I wouldn't need to set up my own state.
 
At the end of the 18c there were approximately 300 sovereign states in Germany.
Since then we have seen large consolidation of power worldwide.

Would you set up your own independent state, if you have the chance politically, territorially and financially? :)
Interesting...many nations world-wide were at this stage....in the dark ages.
Is this what the Liberations and conservatives want ?
 
How about if you buy the land fair and square?
After all, isn't self-reliability and self-governance part of the American tradition (considering that most of the US has German ancestry, I can see why. :) ).
I think this not to be true, unless you really stretch things.To say that America is diverse is an understatement.
 
As a Libertarian, I'm philosophically opposed to Nation-States, as a concept. However; I would be quite interested in establishing a decentralized Anarchosyndicalist federation.
 
At the end of the 18c there were approximately 300 sovereign states in Germany.
Since then we have seen large consolidation of power worldwide.

Would you set up your own independent state, if you have the chance politically, territorially and financially? :)

No. I like in this world with other humans. It's important that we find ways to get along with each other. Especially considering that there's 7 billion of us on this planet. There's too little space for so many individuals to have a nation unto themselves.

I know it's not easy, but dealing with the realities that we all have to work together in some way or form is much preferable to the fantasy that we can each have our own way in regards to our relationships with other people.

So if given the chance, no, I would not want to set up my own state. I would, however, be more than willing to work within a constitutional convention to decide how I and the others in my country will choose to be governed.
 
At the end of the 18c there were approximately 300 sovereign states in Germany.
Since then we have seen large consolidation of power worldwide.

Would you set up your own independent state, if you have the chance politically, territorially and financially? :)
I'm not sure that it would be viable for a single person to do so.

However, it would seem perfectly reasonable for a subset of the population to extricate themselves from their current social contract and to establish a new social contract among themselves, instituting a new government over the territory in which they live.
 
I wish I had the power to throw away a few states from the USA.
 
I think this not to be true, unless you really stretch things.To say that America is diverse is an understatement.

So, what happened with freedom, the freedom of consciousness in the first place? Isn't America a free country anymore? The freedom to live a life as you (and your friends, of course) consider right, not some bureaucrat 2000 miles away?
And please, don't tell me that choosing between Pepsi and Coke is freedom. It's not, it's a "false dilemma".

No. I like in this world with other humans. It's important that we find ways to get along with each other. Especially considering that there's 7 billion of us on this planet. There's too little space for so many individuals to have a nation unto themselves.

Right, let's establish a global government and end the argument, huh?
I'd rather have the 300 German states ot the Italian city-states.

I know it's not easy, but dealing with the realities that we all have to work together in some way or form is much preferable to the fantasy that we can each have our own way in regards to our relationships with other people.

Living together doesn't mean you have the right to impose me your views, nor do I have the right to impose mine on you.
 
Too many yesses.
Unless its a state with a population of one.
The amount of work, design, planning for one man, is, IMO, too much...
And, to the tea-baggers, there is much more then "freedom and liberty".
 
At the end of the 18c there were approximately 300 sovereign states in Germany.
Since then we have seen large consolidation of power worldwide.

Would you set up your own independent state, if you have the chance politically, territorially and financially? :)

Are you talking about one single person, or are you talking about a group.

If you're talking about a group, it's all based on social contract. There's no reason why two separate polities could not unite, nor is there any reason why a single polity could not be divided in two. It is up to the people to establish or de-establish the social contract.
 
At the end of the 18c there were approximately 300 sovereign states in Germany.
Since then we have seen large consolidation of power worldwide.

Would you set up your own independent state, if you have the chance politically, territorially and financially? :)

As much as I enjoy state-building in video games and fiction, I doubt I could improve on what Western civilization has produced in the last five-hundred years.
 
As much as I enjoy state-building in video games and fiction, I doubt I could improve on what Western civilization has produced in the last five-hundred years.

Agreed. I too, also like those games immensely, yet those games portray ruling a nation like how COD portrays actual war
 
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