View Poll Results: Would you set up your own independent state, if you have the chance?

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  • Yes

    11 35.48%
  • No

    6 19.35%
  • Why bother?

    8 25.81%
  • It's impossible

    3 9.68%
  • It's possible

    4 12.90%
  • I like things like they are

    1 3.23%
  • I don't care

    3 9.68%
  • I don't know

    2 6.45%
  • They won't let me

    5 16.13%
  • I already have

    6 19.35%
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Thread: Set up a state?

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    Re: Set up a state?

    Too many yesses.
    Unless its a state with a population of one.
    The amount of work, design, planning for one man, is, IMO, too much...
    And, to the tea-baggers, there is much more then "freedom and liberty".

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    Re: Set up a state?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Too many yesses.
    Well, it's a forum democracy (not like the 'illusion of democracy' that we have in the political system today).

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    And, to the tea-baggers, there is much more then "freedom and liberty".
    Like what?

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    Re: Set up a state?

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    At the end of the 18c there were approximately 300 sovereign states in Germany.
    Since then we have seen large consolidation of power worldwide.

    Would you set up your own independent state, if you have the chance politically, territorially and financially?
    Are you talking about one single person, or are you talking about a group.

    If you're talking about a group, it's all based on social contract. There's no reason why two separate polities could not unite, nor is there any reason why a single polity could not be divided in two. It is up to the people to establish or de-establish the social contract.

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    Re: Set up a state?

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    At the end of the 18c there were approximately 300 sovereign states in Germany.
    Since then we have seen large consolidation of power worldwide.

    Would you set up your own independent state, if you have the chance politically, territorially and financially?
    As much as I enjoy state-building in video games and fiction, I doubt I could improve on what Western civilization has produced in the last five-hundred years.
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    Re: Set up a state?

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    As much as I enjoy state-building in video games and fiction, I doubt I could improve on what Western civilization has produced in the last five-hundred years.
    Agreed. I too, also like those games immensely, yet those games portray ruling a nation like how COD portrays actual war
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    Re: Set up a state?

    Bigboobistan....

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    Re: Set up a state?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    Are you talking about one single person, or are you talking about a group.
    Of course I talk about a group of people. A single person is suitable only for the WC premises.

    Social contract... hm, let's see, I don't remember signing one (sorry, Mr. Rousseau) . If I did anyway in my delirium, I'd like to retreat and renegotiate, make a new one. I don't want some big brother to decide my life without my consent.

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    Re: Set up a state?

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    Of course I talk about a group of people. A single person is suitable only for the WC premises.
    WC premises?
    Social contract... hm, let's see, I don't remember signing one (sorry, Mr. Rousseau) . If I did anyway in my delirium, I'd like to retreat and renegotiate, make a new one. I don't want some big brother to decide my life without my consent.
    The social contract is often cited as the mechanism by which a group of people enter into a political association. I'm not sure I buy the idea either, honestly, as, like you I never signed no stinking contract.

    Without the social contract, I wonder what the moral justification for the state is then.

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    Re: Set up a state?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    WC premises?
    Generally speaking, the toilet.

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    Without the social contract, I wonder what the moral justification for the state is then.
    Well, a contract has meaning only between sovereign and free entities, right? A contract with a gun pointed at your head might still be a contract but also has another name - blackmail.

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    Re: Set up a state?

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    Generally speaking, the toilet.
    Ahh, gotcha.
    Well, a contract has meaning only between sovereign and free entities, right? A contract with a gun pointed at your head might still be a contract but also has another name - blackmail.
    Good point. Most people don't regard their neighbors as free and sovereign entities. They regard them as subjects of the majority, or the "general will", or whatever.

    However, one might make a good case under social contract theory that a group of people are free to leave their current group and form their own group.

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